Speaking with Mark was a truly gratifying experience — he was kind, organized, interested, and sincere, and asked great questions. As a sneak preview of a few good ones:
How did you end up being interested in Music from an education standpoint, and how did you end up moving towards accounting?
At what point did you decide to further your education with the Masters in Financial Analysis and why that particular major? Was it difficult to return to school?
How has your practice evolved over the years? I see you use the DBA The Dancing Accountant. Was that always the case, or did that come later? Is it related to a niche, or more about branding?
You’ve been listed on the 50 Top Women in Accounting list. Congratulations! How does that make you feel? Is it acknowledgement of hard work, even more responsibility, honor…?
What does the future look like for you if it goes exactly how you would like it to go? When you look back on your career & life, what will you want to be able to say you accomplished?
If you could go back in time and give your younger self just one piece of critical advice, what would that be?
We spoke for over half-an-hour and I felt like we could have gone on for days… his conversational style was comfortable and disarming. I enjoyed sharing personal stories, talking about the great folks I’ve studied and worked with, about how hard it was to go back to school while working, how much I love helping small businesses in my neighborhood, how much I hate saying “no”, how a client came up with my business name… and so on. Give it a listen — and raise a glass to our amazing team while you’re at it!
I would love to be remembered as someone who helped keep our communities vibrant by helping small businesses succeed. Thatās the whole point of any of this, and my staff is a group of women who feel the same way. Our work really has meaning. ~Nancy McClelland, CPA
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“Really great interview. I appreciated how the highlights were amplified. Nancy is smart and real. Blake does a great job allowing the interviewee talk and share her knowledge. Well done!” -YouTube viewer comment
I was honored to be interviewed recently by the one-and-only Blake Oliver for Relay‘s “Gearing Up” series, where every two weeks, he talks to a real accountant or bookkeeper about ONE challenge in their firm ā and how to solve it.
In this episode, we discuss how to build a team with whom you love to work (kudos to Bookkeeping Buds for helping me make that happen).
As our firm grew, I realized that building The Dancing Accountant in a traditional way was re-creating working conditions that our team and I didnāt love — it was immensely important to me that above all, we enjoy working with each other.
But first I had to convince myself I had something to offer — and decided to focus on what I knew employees wanted: meaningful work.
In the latest episode of Gearing Up with our host Blake Oliver, I open up about the a-ha moment that led to our building an entirely different kind of remote firm. In the episode, you’ll learn: Why Nancy is known as The Dancing Accountant Nancyās favorite tool in her tech stack Three things employees want from work The non-traditional structure of Nancyās team
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So excited to share this year’s Top 50 Women In Accounting list from Ignition! It was one of the greatest honors of my career to be included on it last year — and I’m privileged to support this year’s awardees, who are driving change and creating opportunities for the next generation within the Accounting and Bookkeeping industry. Special shout-outs to Cindy Schroeder & Madeline Pratt — two of my inspirations! Congratulations.
This Journal of Accountancy article walks through the particular scenario where this relief — only for tax year 2021 — applies. They note that:
The relief announced Wednesday applies where:
In tax year 2021, the direct partners in the domestic partnership are not foreign partnerships, foreign corporations, foreign individuals, foreign estates, or foreign trusts.
In tax year 2021, the domestic partnership or S corporation has no foreign activity, including foreign taxes paid or accrued or ownership of assets that generate, have generated, or may reasonably be expected to generate foreign-source income (see Regs. Sec. 1.861-9(g)(3)).
In tax year 2020, the domestic partnership or S corporation did not provide to its partners or shareholders, nor did the partners or shareholders request, the information on the form or its attachments regarding:
Line 16, Form 1065, Schedules K and K-1 (line 14 for Form 1120-S), and
Line 20c, Form 1065, Schedules K and K-1 (controlled foreign corporations, passive foreign investment companies, 1120-F, Sec. 250, Sec. 864(c)(8), Sec. 721(c) partnerships, and Sec. 7874) (line 17d for Form 1120-S).
The domestic partnership or S corporation has no knowledge that the partners or shareholders are requesting such information for tax year 2021.
To learn more, I recommend this excellent Compass Tax Free 10-Minute Webinar update from 2/17/22 on the new FAQ relief for partnerships and S corporations with Thomas Gorczynski, EA USTCP, and Kevin J. Todd, EA, CPA.
(Our original blog post is below, for context and reference.)
K-2 Mountain (courtesy of Wikimedia Commons)
Yes, that photo is of K-2, the second-highest mountain on Earth, where apparently one person dies on the mountain for every four that reach the summit. (Didn’t expect that to show up in my search for a common-usage-right image of an IRS K-2 form.)
The good news is that — as frustrating and arduous as this new IRS K-2 and K-3 reporting requirement is — no one is likely to die while attempting to complete it, and therefore I think we should just all keep this extremely challenging K-2 mountain in mind before we get too frustrated about additional complexities in tax preparation.
In all seriousness, here’s the story: 1) The IRS, in an attempt to deter fraud, for 2021 began requiring all pass-through entities to disclose foreign transactions as part of the tax returns and the K-1 package to shareholders and partners. 2) Initially, the new schedules were only to be used by entities with international transactions to report. 3) In mid-January, the IRS issued revised instructions for the schedules that may require domestic partnerships and S corporations without any foreign source income or assets to prepare Schedules K-2 and K-3. 4) If even one of the partners or shareholders plans to or is required to report foreign tax credits on Form 1116, Foreign Tax Credit, the Partnership or S-Corp must prepare Schedules K-2 and K-3. 5) As a result, the complex and comprehensive “reporting requirement applies to a much larger percentage of pass-through-entity (PTE) returns than perhaps the IRS intended”, as Forbes pointed out.
āThis seems like an overly burdensome requirement to quietly clarify in the middle of filing season.ā – Tom Gorczynski, EA
All is not lost. Yes, we’re talking about well-over 20 additional pages of tax forms — but it’s likely that you won’t have to fill them all out. An exception from filing Part II and Part III, Section 2, on Schedule K-3 may apply for a pass-through-entity that:
only has US-source income;
does not have income or deductions that the partners can source or allocate and apportion; and
only has limited partners owning less than 10% of the capital and profits of the partnership at all times during the tax year.
(Though the IRS clarified that a business with no foreign-source income must still file Part II (foreign tax credit limitation) and Part III (information for preparing Forms 1116 or 1118) on Schedules K-2 and K-3 if their partners have items of international tax relevance.)
From the NATP Blog: “For preparers who are handling the returns of both the partnership and the partner, the partner can choose alternatives to filing Form 1116 and triggering the Schedules K-2 and K-3 filing requirements if one of the following applies:
The partner neither paid nor accrued any foreign taxes and there was no foreign tax credit carryover for the tax year;
The foreign tax paid was under the $300 individual reporting threshold ($600 for married filing jointly) for Form 1116, or an election is made under Section 904(j) of the Tax Code to report the credit without the form;
Schedule A is used to report a deduction for foreign taxes (which also avoids the $10,000 SALT cap).
“Preparers who are not completing returns for the partner reporting foreign tax payments will need to ask the partners/shareholders directly for their information. If they fail to respond to the request, the preparer will at least have made a documented, good-faith effort to obtain the required information and should be eligible for the good-faith relief outlined in Notice 2021-39.”
Therefore, for preparers who have to file Schedules K-2 or K-3, there are three options. – One is to extend the returns, as e-filing is not available until after the current due date of both the S corporation and partnership returns. – Another option is to paper-file the return, which will cause delays in processing. – The third option (what we will likely do for those returns we cannot reasonably extend) is to prepare the K-2/K-3 forms and attach them to e-filed S-Corp and Partnership returns as a PDF. Generally the IRS is not great about referring to these attachments, and some tax software programs have problems delivering them; but at least it will show a good-faith attempt in the case of an audit.
Per Amber Gray-Fenner in Forbes, “These alternatives, while prudent, present some potentially serious unintended consequences:
The IRS may be inundated with PDF attachments that it is not prepared to process and review. PDF attachments are often separated from original returns never to be seen againāat least not until the taxpayer receives a notice looking for the āmissingā information.
Many more PTE returns may be put on extension than would normally be the case.
Extended PTE returns mean extended 1040s, which is unsatisfactory to many taxpayers and tax professionals.”
In that same article, my colleague Fred Stein hopes “Occamās Razor ‘kicks in and IRS realizes the unintended consequences this creates for many small businesses.’ If not, the additional work involved could cause PTE return preparation prices to increase by thirty to fifty percent.”
A summary from last week’s AICPA Town Hall:
We will be reaching out to all our S-Corp and Partnership clients to let them know about these new rules, and to ask that they obtain signed confirmation from each of their owners as to any personal requirement to file Form 1116 or another foreign-related tax form on the 1040 returns.
As you may have guessed, this unexpected new guidance will cause additional time, effort, and cost to all our small business S-Corps and Partnerships — almost none of whom actually have any foreign transaction exposure. After all the requests we’ve made of the IRS to reduce the tax preparation burden on small business owners and their CPAs, I wish I could say this is laughable.
In case that wasn’t enough for you, we’ve compiled a rich list of resources for your reading and watching enjoyment.
Compass Tax Resources: ā¢ 2/10/22 Free 15-Minute Webinar – discussion on the new requirements for partnerships and S corporations with Thomas Gorczynski, EA USTCP, and Kevin J. Todd, EA, CPA Compass Tax Resources: ā¢ 2/17/22 Free 10-Minute Webinar – update on the new FAQ relief for partnerships and S corporations with Thomas Gorczynski, EA USTCP, and Kevin J. Todd, EA, CPA
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Last year we began requiring all clients to submit a copy of their IRS Account Transcript along with their Tax Organizer and other annual tax prep documentation.
The initial issue was that not everyone kept the Form 1444 notices regarding how much stimulus was received. Why would this matter? If a taxpayer did not receive the full amount, then they are entitled to recoup the difference on their annual tax return. (But don’t worry: if you received too much, you don’t have to pay it back — unless it was obtained fraudulently.) Not only does this issue remain for 2021, but the problem is exacerbated, because now we also have child tax credit payments to track — some folks received advances while others decided to opt out (and unlike stimulus payments, any excess child tax credit payments may have to be repaid).
In addition, we’ve also noticed quarterly estimated taxes are often reported incorrectly by clients — especially with additional complexities due to recent state legislation to get around federal limits on deducting state taxes.
We’ve come to the conclusion that the best solution to these concerns is to continue to ask clients to download their annual Account Transcript and provide it to us via secure upload. It’s free, reasonably easy, and reliable.
Instructions for obtaining the Account Transcript for folks who have already registered for an IRS online account follow — if you did this last year, you don’t need to follow all the steps in last year’s post about how to create an account. Just sign in to the system and you should be golden.
(Yes, the IRS will ask you to create a new ID.me account “as soon as possible” and you won’t be able to log in with your existing IRS username and password starting in summer 2022. But for now, no need to create a new account in the new system — the old one works just fine.)
You’ll need to select the reason you need a transcript.
In this case, you would select “Other”.
4. Leave the Customer File Number blank and click “Go”.
5. The screen will display all four types of transcript options and the available years.
6. Select “2021” under “Account Transcript” (the box in the lower-left).
Make sure you are selecting the right kind of transcript — in this case you want an Account Transcript. (Click here for information on what each of the types of transcripts are.)
And like magic, a pdf pops up in a new tab of your browser with a letter from the IRS — and if you scroll down to the bottom, there’s section detailing all the transactions you need.
At this point, print the file to pdf and save somewhere safe, along with the rest of your tax season documents.
What about state information?
To get a list of the estimated tax payments you’ve made to the state of Illinois, go to https://mytax.illinois.gov/?link=1040EPy and enter your SSN, Name, and the year (in this case 2021).
If you also made payments from a corporation or partnership, you’ll need to log into your MyTaxIllinois business account to get those.
Done! Let the tax return preparing begin!
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In an already unprecedented year, the IRS is taking an unprecedented approach toward managing taxpayer expectations, and with good reason: with tax season officially beginning this coming January 24th, the IRS is dealing with a severe lack of staffing — facing workforce headcounts at 1970s levels — and a backlog of tax returns from the past two years. They say to expect frustration this tax season.
The IRS has been dealing with budget shortages for many years now, and Covid forced their mailrooms to close down for months at a time, creating a massive backlog from which they have not yet recovered. Add to that the unbelievable number of new demands placed upon the agency: three rounds of stimulus payments, Employee Retention Credits for both 2020 and 2021, and demands for guidance in an unbelievable number of groundbreaking areas of code… it is certainly understandable that they would not be able to meet taxpayer needs.
So what can taxpayers do to avoid additional problems? Filing electronically with direct deposit, and avoiding a paper tax return — at almost any cost — is more important than ever this year. Additionally, those who received an Economic Impact Payment or an advance Child Tax Credit last year should be especially careful to order an IRS transcript ahead-of-time to confirm these amounts before filing a return. (We are requiring all clients to submit both federal and state transcripts this year, in their own interest.)
Also, keep in mind that by law, the IRS cannot issue a refund involving the Earned Income Tax Credit or Additional Child Tax Credit before mid-February, though eligible people may file their returns beginning on January 24. The law provides this additional time to help the IRS stop fraudulent refunds from being issued.
Due to the Emancipation Day holiday falling on Friday, April 15th, the filing deadline to submit 2021 tax returns or an extension to file is Monday, April 18, 2022. Taxpayers requesting an extension will have until Monday, Oct. 17, 2022, to file (but not an extension to pay; make sure to pay an estimate of tax with your extension).
The American Institute of CPA’s VP of Tax, Ed Karl, has repeatedly shared in AICPA Town Halls and articles that the IRS Commissioner himself testified that during busy season the IRS gets 1500 calls per second — this translates into their only being able to answer 2% of calls. “No, that is not a typo.” The AICPA strongly supports penalty relief measures that are fair, reasonable and practical, and would mitigate the negative effect of the coronavirus on taxpayers and require less contact with the IRS. Such an approach would alleviate the daily struggles that taxpayers, their advisers and the IRS face. Specifically, the AICPA urges Treasury and the IRS to:
Stop compliance actions until the IRS is prepared to devote the necessary resources for a proper and timely resolution of erroneous notices, missing refunds and other matters. At a minimum, stop automatic collections at least for 90 days after the filing deadline.
Align requests for account holds with the time it takes the IRS to process any penalty abatement requests.
Provide taxpayers with targeted relief from underpayment of estimated tax penalty and the late payment penalty.
Offer a COVID-19 reasonable cause relief, similar to the procedures of first-time abatement and generally facilitate the easier adoption of reasonable cause relief.
In the meantime, here are several important dates from Tax Practice Advisor that taxpayers should keep in mind for this year’s filing season:
January 14: IRS Free File opens. Taxpayers can begin filing returns through IRS Free File partners; tax returns will be transmitted to the IRS starting January 24. Many tax software companies also are accepting tax filings in advance.
January 18: Due date for tax year 2021 fourth-quarter estimated tax payments.
January 24: IRS begins 2022 tax season. Individual 2021 tax returns begin being accepted and processing begins.
January 28: Earned Income Tax Credit Awareness Day to raise awareness of valuable tax credits available to many people ā including the option to use prior-year income to qualify.
April 18: Due date to file 2021 tax return or request extension and pay tax owed.
April 19: Due date to file 2021 tax return or request extension and pay tax owed for those who live in MA or ME due to Patriotsā Day holiday.
October 17: Due date to file for those requesting an extension on their 2021 tax returns.
Best of luck — and please remember to be kind and patient with your tax preparer and agency representatives. We’re all human beings struggling with an imperfect system during a difficult time.
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Very excited to see a long-time treasured client get some enthusiastic press from WGN Chicago. And remember — I’m not just their CPA… I’m a co-op member and lender!
Logan Square co-op brings together thousands, creates vibrant food community | WGN-TV (wgntv.com)
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I have often imagined what my firm might look like in five years and how what I do then might be different than now. And when I watch videos by Hannah Smolinski of Clara CFO, I think: “that’s it! I want to do what she does.”
No, I don’t necessarily want to specialize as a fractional/outsourced CFO (although we already do a lot of this type of work for our clients). What I mean is that I love teaching small business owners how to better manage their companies, and training other bookkeepers and accountants how to better help their clients.
This video was a great example of that — a topic that small business owners need to understand but that few folks take the time to explain. (Although I have one complaint: she should have made it clear that “CFO” is just a title — it’s not a credentialed designation like EA or CPA. As with “tax preparer,” “bookkeeper,” or “accountant,” anyone can call themselves a CFO. So be careful.)
I agree with Hannah that our profession has done a poor job at explaining exactly what it is that we do. My clients mistakenly referred to me as their CPA for years before I actually sat for (and totally killed, mind you) the exams — and I’d have to correct them to make sure they knew I wasn’t qualified to do public accounting (for which the exams certify you). And they were like, “well, once you’re a CPA, how will what you do for us change?” The answer… um… it won’t, not at all. My firm will still do your bookkeeping, accounting, tax preparation, tax planning, financial analysis; and some things Hannah forgot to mention in her video: accounting technology consulting, internal controls/systems design, HR/payroll/benefits, and local/state tax compliance (sales/use, restaurant, soda, liquor taxes). We pride ourselves in straddling the worlds of bookkeeping, accounting, analysis, and tax — providing holistic small business financial consulting.
I think that’s the reason we don’t do a great job of explaining what we do — there’s no requirement to get a certification or degree to perform any of these duties. I did them before I became a CPA, I did them afterwards, I still do them. And a lot of my non-CPA colleagues in Bookkeeping Buds, for example, absolutely dance circles around certified accountants when it comes to accounting technology, clean-up and problem-solving, local/state law compliance, and designing efficient and accurate systems and processes.
And if you’re wondering why I bothered sitting for one of the hardest exams in the world (four parts, over a period of more than a year), it was because my colleagues took me more seriously as a CPA — not my clients. (At conferences, many CPAs and EAs were entirely dismissive of those of us who hadn’t tested their mettle against the exam process.) It was my Master’s Degree in Accounting & Financial Management — not preparing for the CPA exams — that taught me the additional skills I wanted to use with clients: financial analysis, strategy, managerial accounting, cost accounting, etc.
Long story longer: check out the video above. It does a nice job of explaining the breakdown among job titles — and I think the most important takeaway is to make a list of the duties you’d like fulfilled, and then ask around your network of other small business owners until you find a professional who knows which of these they can perform, and has a solid network to find others who can fill in the missing pieces. A good bookkeeper, accountant or CPA doesn’t work in a vacuum — we refer the work that isn’t in our wheelhouse to other talented professionals. For example, it’s prohibited by law for us to perform legal or investment services, but we’ve worked with many lawyers and investment advisors and know where you point you. Hiring any of these roles should be an addition to your team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
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For over a year I’ve been answering the question, “when should we apply for PPP Loan Forgiveness?” And for over a year I’ve been responding, “not yet; there’s still so much that’s up in the air” — as AICPA (thankfully) recommended we wait for legislation from Congress as well as guidance from both the SBA and IRS.
Well, on June 24th, they gave us the green light in the AICPA Town Hall Series. Lisa Simpson said that if you have worked out the interplay between PPP and the Employee Retention Credit (ERC), then you should go ahead and apply.
This means that if you are a sole proprietor or partnership and have no employees, you are ready to apply (since ERC is only an issue if you have W-2 employees or are a W-2 employee of your own company). See my recent blog post for easy instructions.
It also means that if you do have employees (or are an employee yourself), but you know that your company does not qualify for ERC, you are ready to apply. You’re in the right place — see below for instructions.
For borrowers of $150k or less who had no wage or FTE reductions, or who qualify for a safe harbor/exemption:
Because your loan was for $150k or lower, you qualify to file the easiest PPP Forgiveness form: 3508S. Please make sure your lender allows you to use this approach.
For reference, here is the forgiveness application form ā but most lenders will have you actually apply through their own loan portal, which will walk you through the process. Just be clear that you are a self-employed individual with no employees, that your loan was $150k or less, and so you qualify for Form 3508S.
Please read through this Form 3508S Step-by-Step guide before beginning the process at your lenderās portal, as the questions you will be asked mirror the actual application.
Some important tips when going through the process:
Have your original PPP loan application and loan documents handy so you can make sure the info on your forgiveness application matches it exactly (legal name, DBA, address, NAICS code, EIN/SSN, loan number, number of employees at time of loan application).
Reminder: number of employees at time of loan application and forgiveness application are both simple head-counts, not FTEs or full- vs. part-time or anything else.
Covered Period is the date you received the funds through 24 weeks later, unless you determined a shorter period would be advantageous.
Amount of Loan Spent on Payroll Costs should not be any higher than the minimum needed for forgiveness.
Requested Loan Forgiveness Amount should be the exact full total of your PPP Loan.
There is nowhere on the application to note the amount spent on non-payroll costs; this understandably confuses many people. Just make sure the “Amount of Loan Spent on Payroll Costs” is at least 60% of the loan, and the “Requested Loan Forgiveness Amount” is the full amount, and they will assume that the difference was spent on non-payroll costs. Keep backup documentation in case of audit.
There is no SBA requirement for backup documentation of payroll or non-payroll costs for loans $150k or less. Most lender portals will have a screen with the ability to upload documents, but this is supposed to be optional. Some lenders may insist on it, however.
In order to qualify to fill out this simpler form (rather than the full Form 3508), you must not have reduced any employee’s wages by more than 75% or significantly cut their hours. (Unless, as I mentioned above, your loan is for $50k or less.) If there is any concern that you might not have fulfilled these “wage reduction” or “FTE (full-time equivalent)” tests, or that you do not meet a safe harbor or exemption for them, we strongly suggest working with a trusted advisor to prepare your PPP Forgiveness application, as it gets extremely complicated. Our approach, to be safe, has been to download the free Form 3508 PPP Forgiveness Calculator from the AICPA, regardless of which form you qualify to submit, so as to run all the numbers for the wage reduction test, and fill out the information to see if you are exempt from the FTE test or not. (If you are not exempt, the AICPA also offers a free FTE calculator.) We then suggest you retain these files as backup in case of audit, even if you end up passing all the tests and qualifying to submit a simpler form than the full 3508.
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For over a year I’ve been answering the question, “when should we apply for PPP Loan Forgiveness?” And for over a year I’ve been responding, “not yet; there’s still so much that’s up in the air” — as AICPA (thankfully) recommended we wait for legislation from Congress as well as guidance from both the SBA and IRS.
Well, on June 24th, they gave us the green light in the AICPA Town Hall Series. Lisa Simpson said that if you have worked out the interplay between PPP and the Employee Retention Credit (ERC), then you should go ahead and apply.
This means that if you are a sole proprietor or partnership and have no employees, you are ready to apply — since ERC is only an issue if you have W-2 employees or are a W-2 employee of your own company. See my recent blog post for easy instructions.
It also means that if you have employees (or are an employee yourself), but you know that your company does not qualify for ERC, you are ready to apply. See below for less-than-easy but still DIY-worthy instructions.
For borrowers of more than $150k who had no wage or FTE reductions, or who qualify for a safe harbor/exemption:
As your loan was higher than $150k, you do not qualify to file the simplest PPP Forgiveness form (3508S). However, presuming you followed all the rules and had no reductions, you do qualify for the āEZā form (3508EZ). Please make sure your lender allows you to use this approach. For reference, here is the forgiveness application form (pages 1-4) and instructions ā but for the actual forgiveness process, instead of filling the form out, you will apply through your lenderās loan portal and it will walk you through the steps. Please carefully read through the checklist and instructions on pages 5-9.
Please also read through this Form 3508EZ Step-by-Step guide before beginning the process at your lenderās portal, as the questions you will be asked mirror the actual application.
Some important tips when going through the process:
Have your original PPP loan application and loan documents handy so you can make sure the info on your forgiveness application matches it exactly (legal name, DBA, address, NAICS code, EIN/SSN, loan number, number of employees at time of loan application).
Number of employees at time of loan application and forgiveness application are both simple head-counts, not FTEs or full- vs. part-time or anything else.
Covered Period is the date you received the funds through 24 weeks later, unless you determined a shorter period would be advantageous.
We recommend the “Amount of Loan Spent on Payroll Costs” total is not any higher than the minimum needed for forgiveness.
“Requested Loan Forgiveness Amount” should be the exact full total of your PPP Loan.
If you were unable to operate at full capacity, you may check the second box on the checklist, which means there is no requirement to fulfill the FTE (full-time equivalent) test.
Regarding backup documentation that you must submit with your application, keep in mind that what is considered acceptable support is up to each individual lender. – Payroll: your lender may ask you for bank account statements, payroll tax form 941s, and canceled checks for benefit invoices as proof of payment. – Nonpayroll: For rent/mortgage/utilities payments, your lender may ask for documentation that the obligation/services existed prior to 2/15/2020. They are likely to ask for proof of payment for all amounts claimed in this section.
If there is any concern that you might not have fulfilled the wage reduction or FTE tests, or that you do not meet a safe harbor or exemption for them, we strongly suggest working with a trusted advisor to prepare your PPP Forgiveness application, as it gets extremely complicated. Our approach, to be safe, has been to download the free Form 3508 PPP Forgiveness Calculator from the AICPA, regardless of which form you qualify to submit, so as to run all the numbers for the wage reduction test, and fill out the information to see if you are exempt from the FTE test or not. If you are not exempt, the AICPA also offers a free FTE calculator. We then suggest you retain these files as backup in case of audit, even if you end up passing all the tests and qualifying to submit a simpler form than the full 3508.
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Why Nancy is known as The Dancing Accountant 
Nancyās favorite tool in her tech stack 
Three things employees want from work 
The non-traditional structure of Nancyās team
