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PPP Forgiveness Applications: When To Apply?

Slide from AICPA Town Hall October 22, 2020

In today’s AICPA Town Hall, they reviewed the reasons a business might decide to apply for PPP forgiveness now — even though we have been consistently recommending to loan recipients that they wait until there’s movement from Congress on an automatic or streamlined forgiveness program (and continue to do so).

Basically, unless you are:
1) selling your company; or,
2) potentially violating loan covenants because of the PPP being represented as a liability; or,
3) needing to lay off staff after meeting FTE reduction requirements;
…you should still hold off on applying for forgiveness.

However, if you are in one of the groups above, then consider the AICPA‘s list of “Factors impacting timing of forgiveness application”:
• Has the borrower spent the full amount of PPP funds?
• Is borrower trying to sell the business? See Oct. 2 SBA Procedural Notice
• Is the loan under/over the $150k dollar amount of potential threshold for simplified forgiveness in Congress? (New form for <$50K)
• Has tax planning around timing of deductibility of expenses paid with PPP funds been considered? See Aug. 20 discussion with Ed Karl (AICPA VP of Tax)
• Does the borrower need to make business operating decisions that may include FTE reductions? (See AICPA FAQ #10, below)
• Does borrower want to get PPP debt off the books? Are there loan covenants to consider?
• Is the lender even accepting applications?

It’s important to weigh all of these criteria before making the decision to apply for forgiveness.

And for reference, here’s AICPA FAQ #10:
If a borrower applies for forgiveness before the end of the covered period, how does the FTE reduction safe harbor work in operation?

The instructions for the Form 3508 forgiveness application indicate that the borrower includes the number of FTEs at the end of the covered period OR the date the application is submitted. The SBA has provided information to lenders as follows: “When a borrower submits the completed application and a lender has processed the borrower’s forgiveness application, the borrower is no longer bound to the FTE restrictions. The covered period ends when the borrower successfully applies for forgiveness.”

To summarize: we still recommend, as does the AICPA, that unless you fall into one of the groups above, you hold off on forgiveness applications for now. Work with your CPA to run the numbers to make sure you meet the requirements as they currently stand — knowing they might get easier, but protecting yourself if they don’t — but hold off on the actual application until Congress takes some action, which will be coming eventually… it’s a question of “if”, not “when”.


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PPP Loan Forgiveness for Co-ops – Webinar 10/22

PPP Loans and Forgiveness: A Cooperative Perspective: October 22 2020
https://nsacoop.org/webcast_details.php?id=288

My colleague Eric Krienert will be teaching a one-hour webinar on October 22 on the topic of the Paycheck Protection Program. This session will provide an overview from a cooperative perspective of loans and forgiveness under the PPP. Beginning with the economic necessity certification, to qualifying expenses, to the spending timeframe and FTE limitation — an explanation will be provided on restoring FTEs and wage limitation before looking at the loan forgiveness application process. The session will conclude with a review of tax and other considerations.

More information on the webinar, as well as registration details, can be found here. The session is free to NSAC members and $56 for non-members.


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SBA Announces Streamlined PPP Forgiveness for Loans Under $50K

Another late-night guidance drop from the SBA — this time, good news for PPP borrowers of $50,000 or less… and somehow managed without the Congressional action we’ve been waiting for that seems to have all but stalled out.

The SBA has released a new, streamlined forgiveness application for these borrowers (and has eased the burden on lenders as well) — but notably, the requirements are exactly the same as prior to this newest Interim Final Rule. It’s just the simplified application and reduced documentation that make it easier. This means that small business owners still have to meet all the forgiveness rules that were in place before this most recent development — and they must certify as such on the application.

So on the one had, it’s great news — on the other, I’m not sure how much this will help anyone… it’s essential to run the numbers and collect the documentation regardless, to confirm compliance, as well as for support should the forgiveness be audited or challenged.

This also is a far cry short of the “under $150,000” floor that has been introduced by numerous members of Congress. Maybe this is just a start, and it will be increased with a legislative act?

Regardless… because the calculations and documentation must be dealt with despite the shorter application (and kept for your permanent records), I still recommend using the free AICPA tool — PPPForgivenessTool.com — as it does an amazing job of taking care of much of the number-crunching behind the scenes, and turns out an application and supporting documentation pdf packet that should be just the thing for your files. It’s the best PPP calculation resource I’ve tested yet (and believe me, I’ve tested quite a few).

Given the slow pace of SBA forgiveness and the likelihood that there will be more relief coming from Congress after the election, the AICPA continues to recommend that borrowers hold off on applying for forgiveness for now — unless they need to because they’re selling a business or have restrictive debt covenants.


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New AICPA FREE Searchable Index For PPP Guidance

Screenshot from 9/3/20 AICPA Town Hall of excerpt of new PPP rule index

The AICPA has come out with yet another amazing, free tool to help business owners administer PPP loans and accountants to advise them.

If you’ve been playing along, you know that the Small Business Administration (SBA)’s troubled and challenging Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) has had a ridiculous number of clarifications, FAQs, Interim Final Rules (IFR), and other guidance. Figuring out which piece of info is hidden in which document is nearly impossible.

The American Institute of CPAs (AICPA) felt the same way. So the organization that brought you the [free] PPP Forgiveness Calculator and [also-free] PPP Online Forgiveness Tool, now brings you a (FREE) lovely spreadsheet with (so far) 170 searchable questions about the PPP, and indicates the date and type of guidance, and links to where to find it.

From the AICPA:

The Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), under Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security (CARES) Act, provides small businesses with forgivable loans. Administered through the Small Business Administration (SBA), the PPP loan proceeds are to be expended on payroll, rent, mortgage payments, or utilities. The SBA, in conjunction with the Treasury, have released Interim Financial Rules (IFRs) and Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) to provide guidance.

This searchable index allows users to easily find guidance on the PPP loan application, eligibility, allowable use of funds, loan forgiveness, maturity date, and more.


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EIDL & PPP Interaction Guidance

The EIDL has two portions: an advance grant, and a 30-year loan.

The SBA provided guidance recently on the interaction of PPP loan forgiveness with advances on the Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL), in the form of adding three Q&As to its August 11th FAQs.

Many of my clients, as well as countless other small businesses, applied for loans under both the PPP and EIDL programs and received them. For EIDL, they could receive 1) an advance grant (generally measured at $1000 per employee), which in theory was automatically forgiven, and 2) a 30-year working capital loan at an interest rate of 3.75% (2.75% for nonprofits). Applicants could apply for or receive either the advance grant, the loan, or both.

Though the CARES Act does not call for it, and the SBA did not expressly state it, the AICPA began reporting some months ago (presumably based on information received from their regular meetings with Treasury) that the EIDL advance grant would have to be subtracted from PPP forgiveness. There was much disagreement in the CPA world as to whether or not this was indeed the case, as the SBA forgiveness application could be interpreted either way.

However, with these new FAQs, the SBA has put an end to that debate, confirming the AICPA’s position that the EIDL advance grants must be subtracted from PPP forgiveness.

The good news here is that at least these will, in effect, be converted into the PPP 1%-interest loans, rather than the 3.75% EIDL. The bad news is that the PPP loan term is only 2- or 5-years (depending on when the loan was signed), rather than the 30-year EIDL.

Therefore, if you have a large EIDL advance grant (at one point these were capped at $10,000, but there are some out there for more than this amount), and you will be challenged by paying it back, take a look at your PPP loan term. If it is 2 years (for loans prior to June 5), then contact your PPP lender to extend the PPP loan to a 5-year period.

This would be particularly important if the EIDL advance grant was larger than your PPP loan, as in these cases there will be no forgiveness.


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SBA Guidance On Appealing PPP Forgiveness Rejections – Lawyers Only, Please

SBA gives borrowers a second chance at forgiveness.

Reported in yesterday afternoon’s issue of Accounting Today, “the U.S. Small Business Administration (SBA) has posted rules about how businesses who have been turned down for forgiveness of their Paycheck Protection Program loans can appeal the decision, and about how forgivable PPP loans interact with the SBA’s Economic Injury Disaster Loans.”

The SBA’s Office of Hearings and Appeals has been charged with PPP loan forgiveness denials, which means CPAs will not be permitted to represent the clients they have helped through the PPP process.

According to Accounting Today: “‘The process is a formal legal process, with representation of the borrower limited to attorneys,’ noted Ed Zollars, a partner in the CPA firm of Thomas, Zollars & Lynch, in a blog post Wednesday for Kaplan Financial Education about the new rules. ‘The special status granted to CPAs to practice before the IRS does not carry over to practice before the Small Business Administration.'”

The interim final rules on this matter take effect immediately, though comments are still being accepted.

“Business that appeal the loan forgiveness denial will need to have a copy of the loan review decision that’s being appealed, a statement about why the decision was erroneous, the relief that’s being sought, signed copies of payroll tax filings filed with the IRS and the state, as well as various federal tax returns and schedules… the SBA also wants the name, address, phone number, email address and signature of the appellant or attorney. The maximum length of the appeal petition should be 20 pages, not including any attachments.”


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SBA To Begin Accepting Loan Applications Aug 10th

The SBA announced a few days ago that they will begin accepting loan forgiveness applications from lenders as soon as August 10th — but don’t be too quick to apply.

The Journal of Accountancy lists many reasons it may make more sense to wait to apply for forgiveness, and this article has been echoed and shared widely by the American Institute of CPAs.

“A big reason for these delays is that Congress is debating a new round of COVID-19 relief, which is expected to include a second PPP initiative more targeted than the first one, said Mark Peterson, the executive vice president who heads the AICPA’s advocacy team in Washington, D.C. Those discussions also may include major changes relaxing the forgiveness requirements for the smallest loans, possibly those up to $100,000 or $150,000.”

(More on the possible forgiveness relaxation in a recent blog post of mine. And more on the PPP as-it-stands in yesterday’s Forbes article by Bruce Brumberg.)

SBA and Treasury are not expected to release the expected 25-question FAQ for which we’ve been waiting for over a month — not before new relief legislation is signed. Congress is trying to finalize this before going on recess August 8th.


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PPP Loans Under $150K May Be Automatically Forgiven

Secretary Mnuchin Speaks to Reporters

On Friday afternoon, July 17, Secretary of the Treasury Mnuchin announced that he would consider recommending to both the IRS and SBA that all PPP loans below a certain amount be automatically forgiven. The PPP loan cap mentioned in the discussion was for all loans under $150,000 (though various lobbying groups have floated other amounts). Loans at this level and below account for 86% of all PPP loans — but only 26% of the funds.

This would allow banks and the SBA to concentrate their reviews on the loans above $150,000 — only 14% of the loans — which make up a whopping 74% of the funds. (Among these large borrowers are the many chains, billionaires, and public companies that arguably were not the “small businesses” the fund was meant to help.)

If this recommendation is made, and if accepted, presumably that would mean that Forms 3508-EZ or 3508 would not have to be filed by the borrower with the PPP lender. Mnuchin did mention that some fraud precaution would need to be involved. We’ll have to wait to learn more.

I’ve been put off by how many of my colleagues have been mining these applications for additional fees (and bragging about it), especially when their small-business clients desperately need all the funds they can get to keep their businesses running. So not only would this move by Treasury aid small business owners, who are already overwhelmed with keeping afloat during a pandemic; as well as lenders, who would be able to spend resources more effectively in examining large loans; but it also would put the brakes on the predatory behaviors of “trusted advisors”.

In light of this exciting new development/ possibility, and the fact that we are still waiting for an SBA/Treasury FAQ — which has been promised for weeks on-end at this point — I have decided to postpone all client meetings and webinars on the topic, to allow for the respective government agencies to provide additional information.


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Paycheck Protection Program Application Deadline Extended Through Aug 8

UPDATE 7/4: The PPP Extension has been signed into law.

UPDATE 7/1: It has passed the House as well and is expected to be signed by the President today.

Total shock and surprise… out of nowhere, the Senate unanimously passed a five-week extension to the Paycheck Protection Program application deadline, just a few hours before it was set to expire.

According to USA Today:

Sen. Ben Cardin, D-Md., the top Democrat on the Small Business Committee, said on the floor that senators picked August 8th because that’s the end of the Senate’s next work period and lawmakers are hoping to pass the next relief package by then.

Additionally, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, who helped negotiate the initial small business portions of the March coronavirus relief legislation, said that the extension would make certain we “don’t see an interruption in this program” while a fifth relief bill is being negotiated in Congress. 

The unanimous agreement Tuesday night was unexpected, as lawmakers have clashed over issues regarding the program, including legislation regarding how to possibly redirect the unused $130 billion.

The deadline had recently been extended for a few specific borrowers who challenged some of the requirements in court and won — but this ruling only applied to those specific instances. However, their challenge pointed out some unfair restrictions in the PPP application requirements regarding criminal records that have since been remedied (though none of the online applications I have seen have incorporated the new rules yet). Given the timing of the recent guidance, there were certainly many would-be applicants that would not have been able to apply, and hopefully this extension will help.

There also is simply a huge amount of money left — $130 billion. There was so much confusion and fear about applying and getting loan forgiveness that the funds didn’t make it to many of the intended recipients; many never even applied. For example, I helped three folks this week who thought the program “didn’t apply to them”. Now that the rules are easier to follow, make more sense, require less work, and are clearer, hopefully small business owners will come out of the woodwork and get some much-needed assistance.

The House is expected to pass the measure and the President is expected to sign it. The bill passed in the Senate by unanimous consent.


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PPP Updates — *SO MUCH* New PPP News!

So much has happened since my last PPP posts, just a week-and-a-half ago, I hardly know where to begin.

Let’s start with the good news: all of it is good news!

As you may recall, Congress passed the June 5th PPP Flexibility Act, and SBA & Treasury came out with new guidance on June 11th, which I covered extensively. They followed up by reducing the non-financial felony threshold a couple days later. Then the new forgiveness application and EZ-version (thank goodness) were released shortly afterward, on June 17th. However, I held off publishing blog posts or holding webinars on the new applications, since they were released without guidance — and like many of us, waited for the answers to our many outstanding questions.

Well, in the past week that guidance continued to trickle in, culminating in some key answers from the June 22nd Interim Final Rule (IFR) that — believe it or not, after almost three months — actually leave us with most of our concerns answered, and a clear path forward for most small business borrowers.

<This is the part where your blog writer takes her hard-earned glass of wine and raises it in a gesture of cheers.>

The confidence in the piecemeal guidance released since June 5th was evident this morning, when the AICPA decided to re-release their most excellent PPP Forgiveness Calculator Spreadsheet. Mind you, it’s in draft form, and I did find a couple mistakes when I took it on a test-run tonight — but they are quick to incorporate correction requests, and more importantly, this indicates to me that the folks there feel that we’ve gotten most of what we can expect to get from SBA/Treasury on the topic, and we can get back to work on forecasting. (Oh yeah — and tax preparation, as my clients and staff are reminding me.)

Another small win is that the SBA finally agreed to release names of recipients of PPP loans larger than $150,000. SBA loan recipients have always been a matter of public record, so I admit that I was confused by the political angle on this — but in the end, I think the compromise struck is one that will allow single-owner and other closely-held small companies the privacy they need for payroll purposes, while balancing the demands of the public to know where their taxpayer dollars are going. Reportedly, this will account for nearly 75% of the loan dollars approved.

So — what’s new?

These game-changers:
– Non-owner employee compensation can be forgiven based on their full 24-weeks of pay — up to a $46,154 (24/52 x $100,000) cap — if the 24-week period is elected;
Owner compensation limits increase to 2.5 months of 2019 income capped at $100k (20.833%) if the 24-week period is elected (compared to 15.385% of 2019 if the 8-week period is used);
Borrowers may submit application early — as soon as requirements are met (including FTE calculations, meaning that even if a borrower does not meet either of the FTE Safe Harbors, they can determine the period for which FTEs must be maintained, between 8 and 24 weeks);
– FTE Safe Harbor #1 (business activity limited by government mandate) will apply to the vast majority of borrowers, and frees them from performing the hellish FTE calculations;
– FTE Safe Harbor #2 (the original Safe Harbor) allows choice of December 31st or the date of forgiveness application.

What does this mean?

First-off: any business owner(s) with no employees should elect the 24-week forgiveness period. Instead of the 8/52-week limit x 2019 compensation available for those who stick with the original 8-week period, those who elect the 24-week period will have 2.5 months x 2019 compensation forgiven instead. That’s an increase from 15.384% to 20.833%. And since most of these small business owners received their loan based on 2.5 times their 2019 monthly average, this will clearly earn them full forgiveness. (Furthermore, it eliminates the challenging situation whereby the loan amount was determined in months and the compensation limit was determined in weeks, putting most Schedule C and partnership filers in a position where full forgiveness was impossible.)

Secondly: once you have spent the money consistent with the rules, go ahead and submit your forgiveness application early, regardless of whether you have employees or not. You can elect the 24-week period, allowing for more generous caps, but then end the period early. There are many advantages to this approach:
– having a shorter period over which to meet the FTE test, or an earlier date to qualify for the FTE Safe Harbor #2 (the original FTE safe harbor)
– getting the loan off the Balance Sheet and freeing up any leverage you might need to be able to borrow from other lenders
– avoiding the possibility of straddling a tax year with potentially non-deductible expenses to address
– peace of mind

What don’t we know yet?

One unanswered question is whether or not the owner-compensation limitation applies to spouses or other relatives. So far there are no attribution rules, so presumably they fall under the (more generous) calculations for regular (non-owner) employees (assuming the wages are legitimate compensation for services rendered to the company). 

What happens if the FTEs cannot be maintained due to a limitation on business activity that was not caused by government agency mandate? I am thinking of some professional services, for example, dog-walking, where technically the company was allowed to continue activities at full capacity, but the drop-off in business was precipitous. In this case the FTE rule will not be met, nor Safe Harbor #1 (government mandate). They could aim for the December 31 Safe Harbor #2 (the original safe harbor test), but that would be a gamble, and would presumably delay forgiveness by many months. This is not a large group of borrowers, but the consequences faced by them are certainly inequitable.

Are retirement contributions on behalf of owners allowable? Capped? The guidance makes it clear that these costs are not allowable for Schedule C filers or partners, as any funds earmarked for retirement are already counted in net income before being contributed. For owner-employees, there’s language in the EZ application — but not the main application — that makes it sound like retirement contributions are only allowed to the extent they are included in income, and are capped at 2.5 months x the 2019 amount. Why the discrepancy is unknown. This article discusses that topic in more detail.

There was concern about the announcement that S-Corp owners were suddenly not able to include health insurance in the payroll total — but it turns out that’s because by law those costs are already considered part of the Box 1 W-2 wages. It just means you can’t double-count them. (Schedule C filers and partners were already disallowed health insurance costs for forgiveness, as similarly, they are paid out of net income, which has already been counted for forgiveness purposes.) This article discusses that topic in more detail.

What’s next?

Unquestionably the most comprehensive and accurate FAQ I have read so far is by the AICPA. I strongly encourage all PPP recipients to read through it — especially before contacting your CPA with questions. :)

And for a step-by-step explanation of how to calculate forgiveness, I’ll also point you to the AICPA (no, I do not receive any remuneration from them — I’m just impressed by their resources). This step-by-step guide is quite helpful, and also points you to their greatest contribution to the PPP forgiveness thus far — the AICPA PPP Forgiveness Calculator Spreadsheet. Don’t fill out your forgiveness application or plan accordingly without it!

If you haven’t applied yet, please do. There are only a few days left in which to do so, and $130 Billion still available. The SBA has recently relaunched its Lender Match site, which connects small businesses with SBA-approved PPP lenders to get their loans approved before the June 30th deadline. I’ve had excellent luck with Cross River Bank, which has provided approximately 70% of my clients’ PPP loans, either directly or through various FinTech companies — and there was a great article in the New York Times about them recently. (Nope, those links aren’t monetized and I receive nothing from them. Just hoping to help out some small businesses.)

After a few more webinars on the topic — see the most recent one here — I plan to take a break from PPP planning for a short while and focus on tax preparation. I can’t begin to express my relief that we finally have a comprehensive PPP rule book that takes the real world into account.


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