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PPP Loan Forgiveness NOT In Jeopardy By Employees Refusing To Return To Work

ABA Banking Journal reported last night that the SBA has updated its Payroll Protection Program FAQ confirming that PPP “borrowers who attempt to rehire employees that were laid off will not have their loan forgiveness amounts reduced if those employees decline the offer to return to work”. 

The exact wording of FAQ #40 is here:

This is huge news for some of my clients who run restaurants, cafes, retail, and other types of businesses where working remotely is not an option, and where working conditions are cramped and staff are unable to maintain 6-foot social distancing. Understandably, some employees are hesitant to return to a job that puts their health and the health of their families and communities at risk, especially if those staff members or their loved ones are immuno-compromised.

There has been a lot of political talk about this situation, criticizing furloughed employees for this choice, but let’s all try to remember that the only folks making more money on unemployment are generally earning less than $45,000 annually — and these are the people we’re asking to put their lives in danger for our economic benefit. It’s not exactly a fair criticism, in my opinion.

That said, it certainly negatively affects the small business owners I serve, and I have been challenged by these dual needs pulling my heart in opposite directions, as I can empathize with both perspectives. The business needs to spend 75% of the PPP funds on payroll, and maintain 75% of the prior full-time-equivalent hours for their staff. So if staff are unwilling to return, then the entire PPP forgiveness is put at-risk.

This new FAQ lifts that burden for employers, which I applaud. It does make it clear that the unemployment benefits for those employees may be in jeopardy as a result, but at least the owner does not have to shoulder the burden of being the bad guy who reports them (at least, not according to this FAQ — state unemployment laws may have other requirements).

Two recommendations for business-owners who receive PPP funds and are challenged by this situation, where former employees do not want to return to a risky work environment because they are making enough on unemployment:

  1. Offer returning staff a hazard-pay bonus to make it worth the risk. Obviously this isn’t an option for those who are immuno-compromised, since no amount of money is worth their life; but for everyone else, consider increasing their pay temporarily with weekly retention bonuses. This will increase company loyalty, help meet the 75% payroll rule for PPP forgiveness, and assist in rebuilding the business. You can easily set up a “Hazard Bonus” payroll item in your payroll software.
  2. Point out to staff that returning to work will leave them additional unused weeks of unemployment pay for future use, if the business ends up having to close again after the PPP funds are exhausted.

Finally, some good news. Awaiting further guidance on PPP forgiveness and will be posting more as I learn more.


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Important Updates on EIDL Program

UPDATE 6/10/20:
Sec. Carranza indicated today that new EIDL applicants will begin to be accepted next week — they are still working through the queue of previous applicants, but as they get a handle on that, the system will be available again (currently it is only available to farmers). I have a client who applied on April 8th who received their loan this past week, so I can confirm that they really are still in-motion… when you see money suddenly show up in your bank account with “SBA TREAS” in the description, that’s probably it.


As of 11:15 am Central Time, April 27th, this is the news (above) from the SBA website on Economic Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL) funding. To me, it sounds like they’re saying that unlike the PPP, the EIDL did maintain a queue of existing applications. More to come soon — check back on their website regularly.

Gusto recently released a solid, comprehensive write-up on the EIDL with step-by-step instructions on how to apply. Check it out.

I’m also getting a lot of questions about random amounts that are showing up in the accounts of folks who applied for both EIDL and PPP — so here are a few tips:

  • Remember, the EIDL funding comes straight from the SBA, not a bank, and so the bank feed description will usually read something like “SBA Treas.” Whereas PPP comes from the bank through whom you applied.
  • Also, EIDL funds tend to be even numbers, whereas PPP funding is more often for odd amounts (and you’ll usually know what this is before the amount arrives).
  • You will always have to sign for a PPP loan before it is disbursed. Whereas you may receive the EIDL advance with no paperwork beyond the initial application, and no notice ahead-of-time that it will be funded.

Presumably there should be less confusion between these amounts and the IRS Stimulus Checks, as those are for personal accounts, versus EIDL and PPP, which are for business accounts.

Please see my original post on the topic for more information on EIDL.


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Last Chance (This Time) For PPP Funds: APPLY NOW


The popular and problematic Paycheck Protection Program is up and running again starting 10:30 am tomorrow, Monday, April 26th.

But given the number of client emails and texts I’ve received today on the topic, I realized that there is still a lot of confusion about what a small business’s next steps should be. So here are a few urgent reminders:

Apply Today — Do Not Wait Until Tomorrow

The SBA is opening their e-Tran system Monday, April 26th at 10:30 am — that’s when banks and other lenders are able to begin submitting their completed application packages from customers. In other words, don’t wait until tomorrow to apply. Make sure your bank has your information ready-to-submit the moment e-Tran goes live. If you haven’t already applied (or cannot find out the status of your existing application), get your completed information to your (possibly new) chosen lender today. This means pull together all your documentation now and submit it in one package. Do your banker and yourself a favor and avoid delays that will require them to follow up with you for missing information.

Confirm Status of Existing Applications

Because the PPP has gone through so much flux and so many iterations and guidance/ FAQ releases, a lot of early applications seem to have gotten “stuck” — the banks were not prepared for how to communicate with so many customers at-once, so in cases where there was missing documentation, some applications were held up in limbo. Most banks have been working through those piles frantically since the program ran out of money, in order to be ready for the second tranche — but if you have not yet heard from your lender about the status of your application, it’s time to check in with them now. Many banks, including Chase, have (finally) included a link to application status information on the customer landing page (you must sign in first).

If you have access to a real human being, such as a branch manager or loan officer, try reaching out to them if the usual channels aren’t working. I had one client show up in-person one morning when the bank opened — they initially told him they couldn’t assist with PPP issues; then he explained his unique situation, and it turned out they were able to fix the problem. But please remember — I beg you — that these are real people. They are overworked, are sometimes given poor training, do not have enough hours in the day to analyze the constantly-changing guidance thrown at them, and are often being forced to come into an office without sufficient PPE or social-distancing opportunities. They are exhausted, anxious, and yelling at them will not help. It’s not their fault that Congress wrote a sloppy law that allowed multi-million-dollar companies to access money that was theoretically meant for you. Be nice.

Apply With Multiple Lenders If Your Application Has Stalled

There has been a lot of confusion here — the rules still aren’t quite clear. According to many unofficial sources (most of them lenders), you may apply with multiple companies. What the law indicates is that you may not accept more than one loan.

So there’s a lot of complexity here. Obviously, applying with multiple lenders clogs up the system for other applicants. And while multiple applications aren’t against the rules, some banks are claiming that they could result in applications being voided or delayed.

But if not all lenders — and not all staff processing these loans — are created equal, then why should you be penalized because your bank (or more likely, your small business department within your bank) doesn’t have its act together? My advice (unofficial “don’t sue me” advice), at least to my own clients, is that if your bank isn’t communicating with you — if you don’t know the status of your existing application and have no idea if it’s even being moved forward — then by all means reach out to one or more other lenders.

From Brit Morse in a recent article in Inc.:
But that doesn’t mean you should only apply at a single lender. The chaos of the program’s roll out along with the fact that different banks have deployed different resources and processes to address the influx of these loans, might necessitate applying at multiple lenders.

If you have the opportunity, you may wish to request a guarantee that they’ll reach out to you before submitting your file to SBA, to make sure that a fraud alert isn’t triggered, holding up all your applications.

List of Lenders and Partners Still Accepting Applications

I will not be able to keep this list updated, but as of now, here are some recommendations I’ve compiled from various sources.

FinTech companies with access to multiple lenders seem to be doing the best job getting these things turned around fast. Here’s an article from Inc. on the topic, with a good list.

Forbes is also maintaining an updated list of banks and FinTech offering access to the loans (scroll to the bottom for the list and links to FinTech).

Also, for clients using the Gusto payroll platform, they have been offering since almost the beginning to connect its customers with lenders. Go here and then sign in — you’ll be given the option to submit your info.

And here’s Gusto‘s public list of lenders that are certified for PPP loans. I went through the list and pulled out the ones indicating they are still accepting applications from non-customers:

Cross River Bank – I have had folks reporting good success with them.
Divvy – Fintech company that has access to multiple lenders.
First Bank
Fulton Bank
Fundera – I have had folks reporting good success with them. Fintech company that has access to multiple lenders.
Funding Circle –  Fintech company that has access to multiple lenders.
Kabbage – Fintech company that has access to multiple lenders.
Solera National Bank
Womply – Fintech company that has access to multiple lenders.
Zions Bank

If You Need The Money, Apply — Even If You’re Late To The Game

This second round is expected to go quickly, but don’t let that discourage you from applying. Rob Scott, a regional administrator for the SBA, told CNBC that “If someone didn’t qualify or didn’t apply, they should absolutely apply for the second round.” (Of course, this is insensitive blockhead who also said, “Overwhelmingly, the funds have been used for what it has been intended to do,” Scott said. “There are outliers. There are outliers in every program.”)

The SBA did not maintain a queue after money for the first tranche ran out — any application that was in-process was dumped. So when lenders go to the e-Tran system on Monday, they’ll be evenly-matched.

We have no way of knowing how long this disaster will last, and whether there will be a third wave of funding at some point. From Business Journal Daily:
“Whether there is a third round of funding – Bank of America has suggested it would take $900 billion in relief to get all small businesses the money they need – will likely be determined closer toward the end of the second round.”

This will give you an opportunity to build a relationship with a lender that may prove helpful in the future in ways you can’t predict.

Forgiveness? Not So Fast.

I keep working on a spreadsheet to help my clients determine how best to spend their PPP funds for maximum forgiveness — and it keeps changing with each morsel of guidance we receive from the Treasury and SBA. For now, just know that for businesses that already received their funds, the SBA is working on developing the guidance for how business owners will prove they retained staff to have their loan forgiven. I’m sure I’ll be posting plenty on that here on my blog in the upcoming weeks.


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SBA Economic Injury Disaster Loans (EIDL)

UPDATE 6/10/20:
Sec. Carranza indicated today that new EIDL applicants will begin to be accepted next week — they are still working through the queue of previous applicants, but as they get a handle on that, the system will be available again (currently it is only available to farmers). I have a client who applied on April 8th who received their loan this past week, so I can confirm that they really are still in-motion… when you see money suddenly show up in your bank account with “SBA TREAS” in the description, that’s probably it.


UPDATE 4/27:
As of 11:15 am Central, the SBA now notes on their website that they are continuing to review the existing queue of EIDL applications and will provide further information on new applications soon. More information in a new blog post here.


UPDATE 4/25: the EIDL program has had some funds replenished in the most recent round of legislation, and full information on it and how to apply can be found here.


We’ve spent so much time talking about PPP loans that we’ve left its older sibling, the Economy Injury Disaster Loan (EIDL), in the shadows.

The idea when you apply for an EIDL is that you need cash fast to save your business (historically, these types of loans are given out to businesses hit by a natural disaster of some type). So when you apply, they try to fund an advance of up to $10k (not necessarily the full $10k) in approximately three days — you even give them your bank info when you apply so they can deposit the funds stat.

In other words, if you meet the minimum qualification criteria to apply for an EIDL loan, and submit an online application to the SBA, you will receive up to a $10,000 advance in short order — that does not need to be repaid.

From Nav.com, a lending site I’ve used in the past for clients: If you meet the minimum requirements to apply for a disaster loan, the grant will be available to you whether or not your loan application is approved. With that in mind, if you need access to capital quickly, and don’t need a larger loan amount, this may be a good option for you.
These working capital loans (including the grant) may be used only to pay fixed debts, payroll, accounts payable, and other bills that could have been paid had the disaster not occurred. The loans are not intended to replace lost sales or profits or to pay for expansion. Funds cannot be used to pay down long-term debt. They also cannot be used to consolidate debt.

So you certainly could receive an advance, and then not be granted a loan, and yet still get to keep the advance.

But as to a question I was recently asked during one of my daily client Q&A sessions: could you get the advance… but not apply for a loan, or decide against the loan if granted? And if not, then what’s the lowest amount you could request as a loan?

From what research I’ve done (by no means authoritative, so please reach out if you discover otherwise), it sounds like you do have to apply for some sort of loan. I have not yet found an answer about how small a loan you could request. If you apply for $25k or less, there is no personal guarantee and no collateral required. Over that amount, but under $200k, will require a personal guarantee and collateral — but it will avoid some additional costs that come with higher loan amounts.

There is an interesting note on the SBA site, however:
There is no obligation to repay the grant. To receive the $10,000 emergency grant, it is not necessary to have an approved EIDL loan. However, if you are able to secure a PPP loan, the $10,000 grant will be subtracted from the forgiveness amount.

I am unsure about whether this is still true or not — it certainly was initially, but in the past week it’s been widely reported that you may receive both a PPP and an EIDL loan as long as both are not paying for the same expenses, so it’s possible that the info on the SBA site is outdated. It remains important to have a good relationship with your lender to get these kinds of questions answered before signing.

I’ll leave you with some additional info from Brian Thompson over at Forbes:

The EIDLs expanded provisions include: 

  • Can be approved by the SBA based solely on an applicant’s credit score (not repayment ability and no tax return is required).
  • EIDLs smaller than $200,000 can be approved without a personal guarantee. They are also not requiring real estate as collateral and will take a general security interest in business property. 
  • Borrowers can receive $10,000 in an emergency grant cash advance that can be forgiven if spent on paid leave, maintaining payroll, increased costs due to supply chain disruption, mortgage or lease payments or repaying obligations that cannot be met due to revenue loss. 
  • It expands access to sole proprietors or independent contractors, as well as tribal businesses, cooperatives, and ESOPs with fewer than 500 employees and all non-profits including 501(c)(6)s. 

Because lending decisions are based on self-certification and the applicant’s credit score, the review process should go quickly. CARES also waives the requirement that you be unable to obtain credit elsewhere. That means you can apply even if you already have a credit line.

You apply for these loans directly through the SBA at www.SBA.gov/disaster.  There are no loan fees, guarantee fees or prepayment fees. As of March 30, the new streamlined online application is up and running. Make sure to apply for Economic Injury for the Coronavirus, rather than physical damage due to another disaster (that is a different declaration number).

UPDATE 6/13/20: Although there is much disagreement among colleagues on this topic, according to the AICPA it is likely that EIDL grant advances will have to be subtracted from PPP forgiveness when the time comes.


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