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Tax Preparers Rejoice! Here’s How To Prepare SECURE 2.0 Form 8881 Retirement Tax Credit If You Use Gusto & Guideline

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As my readers and colleagues know, I’m a huge proponent of leveraging technology to remove the drudgery from our jobs and those of our small business clients. We all have enough on our plates already!

As a CPA whose company works with loads of small businesses that need to process payroll, I’ve used quite a few payroll systems through the years… and Gusto has become our favorite. It’s not without its quirks and issues, but overall it does a great job for a great price, and — key for the work we do — it syncs nicely with QuickBooks Online, as well as with Guideline Retirement, saving us oodles of time that we used to spend on benefit reconciliations. (In my recent MSN article about choosing the best state-mandated small business employee retirement plan solution, I cite this as one of the main reasons to go with Guideline.)

This week, I discovered a gift that Gusto created for tax preparers with clients that use the Gusto+Guideline combo — a reporting tool that will literally prepare the Form 8881 “Credit for Small Employer Pension Plan Startup Costs” for you. No joke. And it works!

I want to shout it from the rooftops, because it’s a massive timesaver. The previous SECURE Act credit was super-easy to claim, but this year, the Form 8881 was updated for SECURE 2.0 to include loads of information that most CPA firms are simply not going to have access to — not only current tax-year payroll information, but prior-year data on a per-employee basis; as well as information on how many employees qualified to participate (whether or not they actually participated), again both in 2022 and in 2023.

It was such a balm on my tired tax-preparing soul to know that they were looking out for us and trying to make our lives better through technology. The only thing I can’t figure out is why no one told me about it sooner. (Honestly, I randomly stumbled on it when I went into my own Gusto account to run weekly payroll.)

Not only did we end up using these reports for our own tax clients, but we also sent them over to our colleagues who prepare the tax returns for certain bookkeeping clients of ours, to help them out. And now we’re superstars to them. In fact, here’s a great idea for all the bookkeepers reading: run this report for all your clients, prepare a zip file for each of the tax preparation firms you work with, and send them this beautiful present all tied up with a pretty virtual bow. I’m always talking about collaboration and co-firming between bookkeepers and CPAs (come see me this June at Scaling New Heights for “The Tax-Ready Bookkeeper”) and this is a great example of it! Who do you think they’re going to recommend when a tax client needs accounting and bookkeeping assistance? You!

Keep in mind that these reports are only accurate if a) the client was on Gusto and Guideline, and b) were on them both for all of 2023.

These are the steps I walked through and the screens I clicked on to make this magic happen.

  1. Sign into Gusto and go into a client that used Gusto+Guideline for all of 2023. (No other payroll, no other retirement company.)
  2. On the left side bar, click on “Tax credits”.

3. Under “Available credits”, find the one that says “401(k) tax credit” and click the “Learn more” button.

4. Check out the overview and the FAQ, and then click the “Get started” button.

5. Fill out the short questionnaire. The information below was correct for my own company, but may not be the same answers for yours or for your clients, so make sure to answer accurately. Then click the “Continue” button.

6. At this point, Gusto will provide you with the amount of the credit, as well as all the information you need to prepare the Form 8881. Review it carefully. This is particularly important if you have employees who are not represented in Gusto because you are using another payroll provider simultaneously. And as I mentioned above, if the client switched retirement companies from another provider to Guideline part-way through the year, this information will not be accurate. Once you’ve reviewed the data, then click the “Generate credit form” button at the bottom of the page.

7. On the next screen, you will have two options:

If you click the “Download” button it gives you an incredible PDF with not only all the information you need to know to prepare the 8881, but a copy of the IRS form itself, filled-out exactly as it should be, according to their records + Guideline’s records.

If you click “Review Details” (to the right of the amount of your credit) you’ll get a screen pop-up from the right that you can scroll through to review the same information they noted above. From here, you can click “Reset credit form” if some of the information looks incorrect and you need to edit the questionnaire, or simply click “Close” if you’re done.

That’s it. It was simply that easy. The process of figuring out all this information prior to discovering Gusto’s beautiful gift took about two hours — which doesn’t count the digging through reports in Gusto and Guideline to figure out which ones told us what we needed to know, reaching out to Guideline support and asking for a custom report to be generated for each client that would show which employees qualified (turns out they are completely unaware that Gusto has this great resource, too — someone should definitely let them know)… and it definitely doesn’t count the ridiculous amount of time we spent figuring it out for our last remaining ADP client hold-outs — their reports can’t even be exported into Excel! PDF-only, you heard me. I’ve been warning those two clients for years that one day I’m going to issue an ultimatum. That day might be coming soon.

One small glitch: for some clients, it shows an extra month of Guideline service fee payments compared to what is in QuickBooks Online, which I think is simply a timing issue. It’s also a small-enough amount that if it gets claimed in 2023 instead of 2024, that’s not a huge deal. However, we manually edited ours accordingly, and hope that this gets cleaned up for next tax year.

And while we’re here — did you know that our Gusto referral link will get you a $100 prepaid Visa card when you sign up and run your first paid payroll? Or — $200 if you have over 10 employees! And for accountant partners, signing up through this link will earn you $500 once you’ve added and run payroll for three clients. Next year, you too can be reveling in the glory of pre-prepared small business retirement credits!


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How to Issue 1099s and W-2s from Gusto Payroll (for 2023)

As a CPA whose company works with loads of small businesses that need to process payroll, I’ve used quite a few payroll systems through the years… and Gusto has become our favorite. It’s not without its quirks and issues, but overall it does a great job for a great price, and — key for the work we do — it syncs nicely with QuickBooks Online, as well as their own Benefits company and with Guideline retirement.

(By the way, our referral link will get you a $100 prepaid Visa card if you sign up and run your first paid payroll before Jan 31st, 2024! Bonus! Happy New Year!)

It seems that for 2023, Gusto has slightly changed the details for how they handle distribution of 1099 and W-2 forms — and so that no one ends up without a copy of their important documents, I am sharing the step-by-step process that we went through for our own firm, in hopes that it helps you manage it in your own small business.

Spoiler alert: the process of DIY-ing (aka creating the packet of 1099 or W-2 PDFs, going to the Tax documents section and finding/ downloading these PDFs, printing them, and mailing them) was enough of a pain that for sure next year I will just click the option to pay $3 per form to have them mailed for me for anyone who hasn’t selected “electronic-only delivery”. But before then, I will contact all my employees and contractors and ask them to please change their preferences to be electronic-only delivery next year, since the thing I would be mailing them is literally a printout of the same PDF that they can download themselves from their Gusto account.

And now — here’s the process I went through, in real time, as I walked through the steps myself.

First off, as the company/ employer, I received an email from Gusto (though it incorrectly stated that these are client tasks, rather than firm tasks) stating that I need to distribute important payroll forms to recipients before the IRS deadline of January 31, 2024.

When I click on the “Let’s do it” button for 1099s, it takes me (after logging in) to the screen below, which notes “If you have us mail forms for you, you can choose to exclude anyone who’s consented to have them delivered electronically.” This is pretty important, as I encourage everyone to accept this delivery method, even if they also request a paper copy. I am curious to see if they make this option clear even if I select “I’d like to download and distribute them on my own,” and will give that approach a try.

After selecting the second option — “I’d like to download and distribute them on my own” (DIY), I get this screen:

And then this screen:

And good news! Even in the DIY version, you can select “Only contractors who haven’t requested electronic-only copies,” which is a real win for everyone. It would be nice if they made that clearer on the first page, and simply said, “you can choose to exclude anyone who’s consented to have them delivered electronically.”

I take that back! NOTE: After going through the whole process (you’ll see this below), I never did get a packet that was just for the electronic-only folks. I was only able to download a packet for ALL employees. I will have to pick out which ones selected paper delivery and only print and mail those. Or I can go into each employee and download the form individually. What a pain! I don’t want to reward Gusto for handling this poorly, but if I could go back again, I’d have chosen to have them mail the ones who set their preferences for paper forms, for $3 each.

I clicked on “Create packet”, and nothing happened. However, this box shows on the right-side, so I’m guessing that’s why:

(I think this could have been handled a bit better by the Gusto programmers.)

Now, if you had any contractors who did not select electronic delivery, you would in theory eventually get a copy of that packet, and use the PDFs of the 1099s that were made available to you by Gusto — you would print and mail them yourself. But in my experience with the W-2s (below), I was only ever able to download a copy of ALL the forms, not just the ones that set their preference to receive a paper copy. Or I could go to each employee and download them individually. Therefore, as I keep saying… if I had this to do over, I’d pay Gusto the $3 per form for just the ones that requested paper forms. And in future onboarding, I’d ask them to set it to “electronic-only”.


Next, we’re going to give the W-2 form distribution a try. I clicked “Home” to get to the main page of my Gusto account but got an error message, probably because as an accountant user, it got confused about whether to take me to my own firm homepage or my client dashboard. So I went back to the original email and started from there. As expected, it brought me here:

And after selecting DIY, it took me here:

After clicking “Continue” it took me to a page that nicely spelled everything out for me:

It turns out that four of my employees have requested paper copies. They may have also requested electronic copies, but since that doesn’t matter one way or the other here, it’s not indicated. (Note to self: ask your team members to select electronic-delivery-only!)

So this time when I clicked the “Create packet” button, I got a pop-up.

I clicked on the “Go to Tax documents” button and it took me to a very familiar screen (since I have to download this information on behalf of clients from time-to-time), with a tab for each type of tax document.

I clicked on W-2s and followed the prompt to download my 2023 W-2 packet — but this turned out to be the entire employer-copy of the W-2 packet. So, I clicked below that on the option to “Distribute 2023 W-2s” — but that just took me back to “Choose how to distribute W-2s” starting page.

To be fair, it did say in the pop-up that they’re creating my packet and would email me when it’s ready… I’ll go check email next.

But first I want to point out that this page also makes it clear in the employee list at the bottom what the delivery preference for each employee is, making it easy for me to make good on my “note to self” above and reach out to those who requested “paper and electronic”. (By the way, my own name is on that list. Sigh.)

It’s many minutes later and I still don’t have an email saying my packet is ready.

At this point, I’m wishing I’d just paid Gusto $3 each for them to mail these for me.

I’m going to sign off on this blog post for now and return to it once I get an email from Gusto. And if I don’t, I will shake my fist at them and ask my team members if I really have to spend $3 each to send them a paper W-2 when they already have a PDF.

Update: I never did get an email from Gusto saying my packet of just the ones that need paper copies was ready. And when I went back in to just pay Gusto the dang $3 each, I got this screen:

So apparently that’s not even an option anymore. Heads-up! (This is the part where I scroll back to the top of my post and give everyone a spoiler alert before starting this process.)

The key takeaway I’d like to share with clients and readers is that you should absolutely, unquestionably go into “Tax Documents” and look at the list of people under the W-2s and 1099s tab to see if anyone chose paper-only (I am presuming that’s an option but do not truly know… because it’s 2024 and who would choose that, anyway). If anyone did *not* consent to electronic delivery, then go spend that $3 per employee. For everyone else, reach out and ask if this is really necessary, and suggest they (myself included, whoops) change their settings — not because the $3 per form is a prohibitive cost, but because the amount of time and energy spent in making that happen (any at all) is simply not worth it in this day and age of electronic communication.

I will leave you with a hilarious poem that a dear colleague of mine shared with me recently.


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How To Add Health Insurance To S-Corp 2%+ Owner W-2 In Gusto

As anyone who’s worked with me — clients, team members, colleagues, vendors — knows, I adore Gusto Payroll. They truly changed my life for the better (not to mention the lives of thousands of small business owners) when they decided to create a tech-forward payroll company that seamlessly syncs with QuickBooks Online.

(Note: our affiliate link will earn you a $100 gift card after you run your first payroll — or up to $500 if you are an accountant or bookkeeper who signs up your own clients. We may earn a commission as well — win-win! For our own clients, we offer a 15% discount in lieu of referral fees.)

I have explained the importance in prior blog posts of making sure that S-Corp medical premiums are properly tracked and reported in QuickBooks and on the W-2 forms for shareholder-employees. The IRS has driven this point home repeatedly, and even has a page devoted to some issues that arise specific to owners of 2% or more of an S-Corp who perform services for the company.

With so many of our own clients using Gusto, I wanted to share how to properly report S-Corp medical insurance premiums, and decided to make the information available to the public as well.

Much of the following information was collected from the Gusto Help section — which is freely available to the public — but as their dynamic support site changes structure and organization frequently, it seemed like collecting the various instructions into one area would be helpful.

Setting up benefits for S-Corp 2% shareholder-employees

For S-Corps, the IRS requires that health insurance premiums paid by the company to employees with a 2% or greater ownership be reported as wages (not pre-tax benefits), and included on their W-2s in Box 1, but not Boxes 3 or 5.

(This means that the total will be taxable for income taxes but not payroll taxes, and once the self-employed health insurance deduction is taken on the personal return, the wages and deduction net to zero — so in effect the corporation will have taken the deduction for the health insurance. More in this blog post and from the IRS here.)

Note: If your company’s benefits are provided through Gusto, they will manage this reporting for S-Corp owners automatically, as long as they are marked as a 2% shareholder in Gusto (under “Employment Details” in the shareholder-employee’s info in the “People” section). 

However, if you offer benefits outside of Gusto (and use Gusto for payroll), then follow these steps to set up benefits for 2% shareholder employees:

  1. Sign in to your Gusto admin account.
  2. Go to the People section and select Team members.
  3. Click on the employee’s name.
  4. Under Employment Details, make sure the employee is designated as a 2% Shareholder.
  5. Under Benefits, click Add Benefit.
  6. Next to Select a Benefit, select “Create New Benefit” from the drop down menu.
  7. Enter a Benefit Name.
  8. Next to Benefit Type, select Medical, Dental, or Vision.
  9. You will have the option to enter a Company Contribution Per Pay Period or Employee Deduction Per Pay Period. (For S-Corp shareholder-employees, this will usually be a company contribution, but check how your plan is set up.)
  10. Company contributions: Taxable at the employee level only, for both federal and state income tax.
  11. Employee deductions: Fully taxable as wages at both the employee and employer level.
  12. Click Save.

As long as the entity is set up in Gusto as an S-Corp and the shareholder-employees that own 2% or more of the company are marked as such under Employee Details, the health insurance premium benefit should be added to Box 1, but not Boxes 3 or 5. You should review your draft W-2 at or shortly after year-end to make sure it is accurate, and contact Gusto immediately if there are issues so they can correct them before the final W-2 is issued and filed with the IRS and SSA.

FAQs about 2% shareholders:

Q: Which benefits must be taxed as wages for 2%+ shareholders?

A: Medical, Dental, Vision, HSAs, and more must be taxed as wages. Refer to Publication 15-B to view all a full list of benefits that are treated as wages. 

Q: What if a 2%+ shareholder status changes part way through the year?

A: Change the 2%+ shareholder status in the employee’s account. Employees who are 2%+ shareholders at any point during the year must be taxed as such for the entire year.

Q: What happens if you need to update an employee’s 2%+ shareholder status mid-or-end year, and they have already received pre-tax benefit deductions this calendar year?

A: If your company withheld health insurance premiums rather than having them processed as 2%+ shareholder — contact Gusto Support, as their team will need to assist within adjusting the benefits, since there are tax implications.


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Year-End IDES Unemployment Rate Notices for Employers – How To Update In Gusto Payroll

IDES taking steps to address unprecedented volume of unemployment claims |  News | metropolisplanet.com

Most states, including Illinois, send out a letter at the end of each year to employers, informing them of their new “Contribution Rate Determination”. As I’m receiving lots of questions about them this year, I figured I’d take a moment to explain what these are and how to update your Gusto payroll account with this info.

This year, IDES is distributing the letter electronically for all who have opted in, with an email stating:

You have received new electronic correspondence from the Illinois Department of Employment Security (IDES). Please log into MyTax Illinois to view your correspondence as some may require a timely response. Below is a list of the new correspondence you have received.

  • Contribution Rate Determination (Mail Date: 11/30/2021)

If the notice you received has appeals rights, you must file your appeal according to the instructions stated on the notice. If you have questions, please call the IDES Employer Services Hotline: 800-247-4984.

For those who haven’t received a letter in the mail, you’ll want to log into MyTax Illinois to get your letter (or if you did get your letter in the mail, but want to download a pdf of it for your files).

Once you log into your company’s MyTax Illinois account (the same place you log into to make sales tax and corporate estimated tax payments), you’ll see a number next to the “Action Center”. Click on that and then click on the “View Letters” link.

Then click on the “View Letters” link.

And then click on the “Contribution Rate Determination” link to get your letter.

The letter will say “Rate Determination” at the top-left.

The new rate is listed at the end of the first row on the page, under where it says “Contribution Rate (New)”.

This rate is also known as your “experience rating” because it’s in part based on how many of your employees claimed unemployment over the past two years, compared with the total payroll for that same time period. (For 2020 and most of 2021 they paused this type of increase, because everyone was claiming unemployment due to the pandemic.) For 2021, the percentage will be between 0.200% and 7.625%.

You can see a list of the historical rates by year here: Annual Employer Contribution Tax Rates (illinois.gov)

If for some reason the wages, unemployment benefit claims, and rate don’t seem right, the next page in the letter allows you to contest it by sharing how your company records are different. The following page in the letter explains how the formula works, in case you’re not sure whether or not it deserves contesting.

Contesting a rate is rarely needed for small business owners, because we all have the option to contest individual claims when they happen. If a staff member quits/resigns, or if they are fired for dangerous behavior, then they don’t qualify to claim unemployment benefits — a notice for each claim is sent to the business owner and they have a short period in which they can dispute the claim. It’s important to do this to keep the IDES contribution rate down. Keep in mind that just this past year, they have stopped mailing claim letters, and business owners should check their MyTax Illinois account each month for these notices — see my blog post here for more: Illinois – No More Snail Mail for Unemployment Claim Notifications | The Dancing Accountant

In November, IDES sent out another round of reminders about this:

And on the final page they included an option to request a snail-mailed paper notification of claims:

So you’ve got your new rate — what does it mean and what should you do with it?

The rate will be multiplied against the first $12,960 of each employee’s wages (this increases slightly each year) and the resulting total will be paid as unemployment tax by the employer. That’s why you want as low a rate as possible. But if you don’t have a lot of employees, then even a high rate does not end up being a lot of money. Pretty amazing deal for how much our society depends on the unemployment safety net.

Provide the notice to your payroll provider to get the rate entered into your payroll system, or if you use Gusto, just update the rate yourself — it’s very easy, and this way you know it gets done! Log into Gusto and:

  1. Click the Taxes & compliance section and select Tax setup.
  2. Click Manage Taxes under the applicable State Tax section.
  3. Scroll to “State Tax Settings” and click edit next to SUI Rate.

The effective date for the new rate is the upcoming January 1st.

If you don’t update your payroll records asap, then you could end up paying in unemployment at a higher or lower rate than required. If it’s too low, you may end up owing penalties, and if it’s too high, then you have to file for a refund, which a lot of folks forget to do, leaving their money on the table in perpetuity.

One more reminder: anyone who received unemployment benefits in 2021 will be getting a 1099-G in January noting those amounts for tax purposes — see my blog post about this from last year here: Illinois IDES 1099-G Form For 2020 Unemployment: What You Need To Know | The Dancing Accountant


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FREE Bookkeeping Buds Webinar Recording – Troubleshooting The New ERC Rules

Scroll to the bottom of this post for a link to the full webinar.

As I’ve mentioned in recent posts, one of the main sources of financial relief from the congressional legislation that was finally signed recently is that the Employee Retention Credit (ERC or ERTC) will now be available to businesses who also accepted Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) funds. Not only will eligible businesses be able to claim this moving forward, but they have an opportunity to “scoop up” payroll dollars from 2020 that would have been eligible had it not been for the PPP Loan.

As a reminder, this credit is available to business owners (regardless of size) whose operations have been fully or partially suspended by government order, or who have seen a drop in income of more than 50% compared to the same quarter in the previous year. The credit comprises 50% of up to $10,000 in wages to each employee paid by an eligible employer whose business has been financially impacted by COVID-19. The credit cannot be taken on wages that were paid for by PPP funds — but as long as there is no double-dipping, PPP recipients can claim other wages for the purpose of ERC. It is claimed as a reduction of payroll taxes on quarterly Form 941 (or a prepaid refund on Form 7200). The IRS updated the form on July 1, and a handy breakdown of the new lines can be found here.

For a wonderful in-depth explanation of the Employee Retention Tax Credit, please see Tony Nitti’s two-part Forbes article:
– Breaking Down Changes To The Employee Retention Tax Credit In The New Covid Relief Bill, Part 1
– Breaking Down The Changes To The Employee Retention Credit In The New COVID Relief Bill, Part 2
– Part 2 also links to an earlier article of his that goes thorough the details of calculating the ERC according to the 2020 rules.

Last week, I offered a webinar to members of my favorite professional bookkeeping group, and they have been kind enough to allow me to share the recording here at no charge. The purpose of the session was to explain the credit and the related challenges, and to brainstorm how we might move forward to calculate the totals and claim it for our eligible clients. Our conclusions have been enforced since then:

1. Identify which clients might qualify and make sure their books are up-to-date (even though we are still waiting on a lot of guidance — for example: what receipts are we looking at when we calculate a 50% drop in revenue? Does it include state and local emergency grants?)

Here is the Excel template I used in class to track client eligibility:

2. Reach out to the payroll companies to see what they will need to claim the credit;

3. The likelihood that this will all happen quickly enough to claim the 2020 ERC on the 4Q Form 941 is very slim; plan on filing amendments for Q2, Q3 and Q4 later.


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How To Look Up The Employee Retention Tax Credit (ERC) In Gusto Payroll

The newest Covid-19 financial relief package was finally signed, and one of the big features is that the Employee Retention Tax Credit (ERC or ERTC) was made available to many businesses that previously were not allowed to claim it, most notably those who accepted PPP loans.

For a wonderful in-depth explanation of the Employee Retention Tax Credit, please see Tony Nitti’s two-part Forbes article:
Breaking Down Changes To The Employee Retention Tax Credit In The New Covid Relief Bill, Part 1
Breaking Down The Changes To The Employee Retention Credit In The New COVID Relief Bill, Part 2
– Part 2 also links to an earlier article of his that goes thorough the details of calculating the ERC according to the 2020 rules.

To summarize the ERC:
• 50% refundable payroll tax credit on qualified wages paid between 3/13/2020 and 12/31/2020
• Claimed on quarterly payroll tax Form 941
• Qualify for quarters with full or partial shutdown due to government order =OR= 50% decline in gross receipts from prior quarter
• Maximum qualified wages of $10,000 per employee during tax year 2020 period
• For employers with 100 or fewer employees, all wages paid are “qualified wages” (different rules for larger employers)
• PPP loan recipients were previously ineligible

Changes retroactive to 3/13/2020:
• PPP loan recipients can use the credit for wages not paid for with forgiven PPP loan proceeds (no overlap)
• Group health plan expenses are considered qualified wages even if no other wages were paid to employee

And the reason for this post — the employer can elect to treat newly creditable wages as paid in the quarter that includes the date of enactment of the Act (4Q 2020) if employment tax returns for prior quarters were already filed prior to the enactment of the Act.

The ERC is also being extended and expanded — but that’s beyond the scope of this blog post. A quick summary of what’s to come:
The credit availability is extended to wages paid through 6/30/2021 and the following changes will apply:
• Credit rate increases from 50% to 70%
• Maximum creditable wages increases to $10,000 per employee per quarter
• For employers with 500 or fewer employees, all wages paid are qualified wages
• Qualifying gross receipts decline from prior year quarter reduced to 20% instead of 50%
– Employer can elect to compare to immediately preceding quarter
– Employers not in existence for all or part of 2019 can use the credit

But the point here is that the old ERC is now available to any qualifying employers who had either a 50% reduction in gross revenue or were fully or partially shut down by government order — even if they received PPP funds. They just can’t double-dip on the payroll costs that were claimed for PPP forgiveness. And so for these employers, any remaining (non-PPP) payroll costs from 3/13-12/31/20 can now be claimed on the fourth-quarter payroll tax Form 941 and 50% of up to $10,000 per employee will be credited back to them. This is not small change for some employers!

The problem, of course, is that we have to act fast — the fourth-quarter 941 forms will be filed in a matter of a week or so, depending on your payroll company. They are all scrambling to find a way for us to report which wages are eligible… but in the meantime we need to get our clients ready.

The first step is to determine which clients are already taking the credit.

There are many fine payroll companies out there (actually, there aren’t), and Gusto is hands-down my favorite, and that of many of my colleagues. (And if you use my referral link you’ll get a $100 gift card when you run your first payroll by January 31. If you’re a bookkeeper or accountant wanting to switch your clients to Gusto, this referral link will get you a $500 gift card.)

So I’ve written up instructions with screen shots on how to look up which clients of yours using this system are already claiming the ERC. Once you know this, you can then 1) reach out to them to let them know they can now apply for the PPP, and 2) reach out to the ones who haven’t to let them know they might qualify.

Step One: log into your Gusto Accountant dashboard.
Step Two: click on “Clients” in the upper-left to see a list of your clients.
Step Three: you’ll need to click into each client and perform the following steps.

  1. Click “Covid-19” in the upper-left.
  2. Scroll past the new notice about the Consolidated Appropriations Act (see screenshot at top of blog post).
  3. There are a bunch of blocks of info on the different programs for which the client might be eligible. Click the “Claim credit” button for the Employee Retention Tax Credit.

4. You will see one of two screens — either it will say “You’re currently receiving the employee retention tax credit” or it won’t.

This is what it looks like if your client is already receiving it:

And this is what it looks like if they’re not:

If they’re not, and you’ve determined that they qualify (50% reduction of gross revenues over the same quarter in the prior year =OR= full/partial shutdown by the government), then click the button at the bottom of the screen to claim the credit and you’ll come to this screen next.

You’ll need to know the quarter in which they became eligible and had wages that qualified for the credit.

Once gross revenues climb back up to 80% of what the same-quarter prior-year revenues were, the client ceases to qualify and must stop taking the credit.

Again, remember that this is to claim wages paid from 3/13-12/31/20 (that were not paid for with PPP funds) on your fourth-quarter payroll tax Form 941. We do not yet know how Gusto (or any of the other payroll companies) will process this information, but given how soon they will need to be filed, it’s essential that we get our clients ready as quickly as possible, and this is Step Two — finding out if they’re already claiming it or not.

(In case it’s not obvious: Step One is determining if they qualify. We’re going through all our clients’ QuickBooks files to review for a 50% drop in gross revenue and then reaching out to clients accordingly, after determining whether they have taken the ERC already or not.)

Good luck!


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Questions About Illinois Unemployment (IDES)

I’m getting a lot of client questions about unemployment these days — understandably… one person referred to it as the “IDES of March” — and thought a short Q & A + random notes and tips might be helpful. Some of these are notes from clients and friends based on their own experiences and research.

None of this should be taken as legal advice. Please see the State of Illinois’ unemployment website or give them a call (I’m hearing wait-time is about 45 minutes, so get a book or magazine out) with specific questions.
For Employers: (800) 247-4984
For Employees: (800) 244-5631
I’ve also heard that some of the branch offices have shorter wait times, such as Arlington Heights (847-981-7400) and Skokie (847-745-3242).

Block Club Chicago has done a lot of excellent reporting since its inception, and the journalists have earned my deep respect. And they are providing all COVID-19 coverage free to the public (consider subscribing to support their work if you are able). This particular article does a nice job outlining how to obtain unemployment benefits, rent relief, and more.
https://blockclubchicago.org/2020/03/18/out-of-work-due-to-coronavirus-heres-how-to-get-unemployment-benefits-rent-relief-and-more/

IMPORTANT NOTE:
For some reason, IDES benefits cannot be applied for with a smart phone — YOU MUST APPLY USING A COMPUTER. I know, this is ridiculous. Don’t shoot the messenger. Here’s the information you’ll need to apply.

Q: What if I’m temporarily laid off because the place where I work is temporarily closed because of the COVID-19 virus?
A: An individual temporarily laid off in this situation could qualify for benefits as long as he or she is able and available for and actively seeking work. Under emergency rules IDES recently adopted, the individual would not have to register with the employment service [office of IDES]. He or she would be considered to be actively seeking work as long as the individual was prepared to return to his or her job as soon the employer reopened.

Q: What if I quit my job because I am generally concerned over the COVID-19 virus?
An individual who leaves work voluntarily without a good reason attributable to the employer is generally disqualified from receiving UI. The eligibility of an individual in this situation will depend on whether the facts of his or her case demonstrate the individual had a good reason for quitting and that the reason was attributable to the employer. An individual generally has a duty to make a reasonable effort to work with his or her employer to resolve whatever issues have caused the individual to consider quitting.

Q: How are unemployment benefits calculated?
A: Here’s the place where IDES shows how they calculate the amount: 
https://www2.illinois.gov/ides/IDES%20Forms%20and%20Publications/CLI105L.pdf  — see page 16 starting with “how your benefits are determined”.
Basically, they take the prior three 3-month periods (quarters) and average your wages during that time. So contrary to popular belief, it’s not based on the most recent week or pay-period. (In fact, the most recent quarter is not even included in calculations.) Then they pay 47% of that amount.

And for more information on how unemployment benefits vary so widely from state-to-state, check out this great article. The number of complicating factors involved makes apples-to-apples comparisons almost impossible.

Q: I heard that the federal government is paying an additional $600 per week as well. Do you have to apply separately to get the federal government amount?
A: To the best of my knowledge at this time, there is no separate Federal application form. The state is supposed to be handling that aspect, and be reimbursed for the Federal amount, as well as their “extra” expense to process everyone. Heads-up that the one week “waiting period” will not apply for the $600 weekly amount — just for the state benefit amount. Once the Federal portion kicks in, the $600 will continue for up to four months, with the state paying for normally 29 weeks, plus another 13 weeks per Congress’ bill.

Q: I use Gusto as my payroll service. What are my options for making sure my employees are eligible for unemployment until I’m able to get everyone back to work again?
A: You have two main options:
1) Dismiss all your furloughed employees in Gusto so they can apply for unemployment — Gusto will save all their data, and they will still be in the system the moment you are able to rehire. To rehire: Go to People –> Show dismissed people (right column) –> Select employee –> on the right, under actions, click “rehire employee”.
– If you dismiss an employee in Gusto, then you will no longer be charged the monthly fee to keep them in the payroll system.
– Keep in mind that when you dismiss an employee, you must then report to your benefits coordinator or health insurance company that the employee has been dismissed. This makes them eligible for COBRA for 18 months. COBRA allows them to remain on the group plan and reimburse the company for the cost (plus an admin fee).
However, many employees cannot afford to do this, given that they’ve just lost their jobs. (Desperately trying to refrain from dwelling how immensely stupid this is, and wishing we had a single-payer tax-supported universal healthcare system.)
Luckily, all the arrangements for COBRA payments happen outside both the payroll and health insurance systems. You can negotiate any arrangement you want with employees, as long as they are all treated fairly. So if the company is able to and wants to foot the bill for health insurance while the employees are furloughed, they can. If they want the employee to continue to pay only their employee percentage, and not the whole cost, they can. Or if they want to offer to fully or partially foot the bill, but defer the employee’s payment until the company reopens and they can return to work, that is also a choice you can make. Just be sure to track the liability, and document the agreement in writing.
2) The other option is to keep them on payroll at a zero or very reduced pay rate. Some employers are keeping the pay just exactly high enough for the employee to be able to have their portion of health insurance benefits withheld from their paycheck. However, it is not as easy to apply for unemployment, and they may only qualify for partial benefits. But they should be able to show the reduced or zero wages, explain that they are furloughed due to business slowdown from COVID-19 sequestering orders, and be treated accordingly as unemployed or partially-unemployed per IDES regulations.
– One benefit of this approach is that they do not use up any of their 18 months of COBRA, and it allows you to easily have them pick up a shift or an odd job here or there.
– This allows the employee to potentially qualify for up to 2 weeks of paid sick leave (or partially-paid leave to take care of a sick family member or a child that must be home-schooled due to school closings), and another 10 weeks of partially-paid family medical leave — to be reimbursed to the employer by the federal government in the form of refundable payroll credits.
– Gusto is also providing options for deferring or waiving monthly payroll processing charges for those who need it.


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For Gusto Payroll Clients – How to Distribute W-2 forms to Employees

If you are a Gusto payroll client, and you have employees who need their annual W-2 payroll tax forms, then the easiest way to handle it is to make sure you have entered all of their email addresses into the Gusto system under each employee’s profile. The employee will receive an automated email from Gusto asking them to create an online account. Once they have done this, they will receive notifications each time a W-2 form or paystub is available for secure download.

If for some reason your employee does not consent to online delivery, or if they do not have an email address, you can print the W-2 and give or mail it to them.

Gusto files the required federal, state and local copies of W-2 forms to the appropriate tax agencies, so you don’t need to order special paper stock in order to print and mail copies of W-2s — you can just print them on regular paper for those employees who may need it.

Gusto provides specific instructions for each of these options here.

To recap, there are three methods to issuing your employees their W-2 forms —
Method 1: Enable your employees online access to their Gusto accounts so that they can obtain their W-2 forms electronically.
Method 2: Download individual W-2s, and distribute them to specific employees.
Method 3: Print the entire W-2 PDF bundle, and distribute them to all employees.

As you probably know if you are a regular reader of my blog, I am a big fan of Gusto. They have made many improvements over the past few years, and at this point they really blow away the competition, especially with their QuickBooks Online integration. (I am not being paid to say any of this — I am simply a big fan, having spent way too many years dealing with payroll company frustrations.)

And if you are a client of mine, but aren’t using Gusto payroll yet and would like to — just let me know, or sign up here! You will receive a 15% discount, since I do not accept revenue shares.

For those of you who are not clients of mine, but are interested in using Gusto for payroll, sign up here!

And for colleagues who are interested in offering Gusto as an option to your own bookkeeping and accounting clients, let me know and I’ll introduce you to my rep, Annie Arthur — who is seriously the best.

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