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Client Options for Claiming The Employee Retention Credit (ERC)

Note to readers: the issue outlined below only applies to 50%-or-greater shareholders — which means the business is a corporation — and their spouses who work at the company. It does not apply to sole proprietors or partners — those two groups do not get paid via payroll and therefore are not eligible. Shareholders who own less than 50% are eligible if the business meets the other requirements to claim the credit.

If you are a 50%-or-greater shareholder and your company qualifies for the Employee Retention Credit for either 2020 or 2021, please read on.


I truly cannot believe that it’s June 2021 and I’m writing a blog post to help people choose the least-worst 2020 Employee Retention Credit interpretation — because even though the pandemic is starting to show in our rearview mirrors, we are still living in a universe totally devoid of IRS guidance on the topic of ERC shareholder eligibility. Accountants jokingly refer to this mystery as the Tax Advisers’ “Area 51” on #TaxTwitter.

What am I talking about? And why am I so annoyed? Let me set the scene:

1) Many small business owners are eligible retroactively for the 2020 Employee Retention Credit (ERC), and the IRS decided that the corresponding reduction in wages for that credit needs to be on the 2020 tax return.

2) However, the company’s Paycheck Protection Program (PPP) Forgiveness application needs to be prepared before calculating the amount of the ERC, in order to maximize the amount of financial relief the client receives between the two programs. Therefore, at our firm, these returns are all on extension while we run these calculations.

3) Now that the first round of PPP loans are nearing the end of the payment deferment period — and to be fair, we’re also only a few months away from the tax return extension deadline — we would like to finalize those calculations and returns. (Reminder: there is no “deadline” for applying for PPP Forgiveness — per the SBA, “borrowers can apply for forgiveness any time up to the maturity date of the loan. If borrowers do not apply for forgiveness within 10 months after the last day of the covered period, then PPP loan payments are no longer deferred, and borrowers will begin making loan payments to their PPP lender.”)

4) The catch is — that the IRS has still not released guidance on whether or not 50%+ owners of a corporation are eligible for the credit (or their spouses who work for the business). Accountants are split down the middle on what the existing legislation, which is extremely unclear, tells us on the topic. As such, we either need to take a position or continue to wait for IRS guidance.

What’s that? You’re saying the IRS has still not issued essential guidance on a credit that was created in the first month of the pandemic? Yes. Yes, I am.

Recently, both the AICPA and Tony Nitti, two of my most trusted sources, have weighed in on this with a big “why is the IRS dragging their heels on this” reaction. Nitti went as far as to say, “Are wages paid to greater than 50% owners eligible for the credit? If I had a nickel for every time someone emailed me this question, I could afford to stop shamelessly and relentlessly shilling this newsletter. It is absolutely amazing that a full year after the ERC was created, we still don’t have a definitive answer.”

Okay, enough backstory. As a small business owner, what are your options? I call them Choice 1 (yes) and Choice 2 (no) for short:

  • #1 Calculate ERC as if owners are eligible and file 2020 income tax returns accordingly. This would result in a higher tax for clients (because more wages are disallowed as deductions). Submit PPP Forgiveness applications, but hold off on submitting ERC claims (941-Xs) until guidance is released. If guidance indicates that owners are eligible, file the ERC claims accordingly. If guidance says owners are not eligible, then amend the income tax returns and file the ERC claims accordingly.

This approach may make the most sense when there are two 50%-owners on payroll, and not many other other staff — as the increased credit would be worth the wait, compared to the total credit without owners.

  • #2 Calculate ERC as if owners are not eligible and file 2020 income tax returns accordingly. This would result in a lower tax for clients (because fewer wages are disallowed as deductions). Submit PPP Forgiveness applications, and submit ERC claims (941-Xs) — rather than holding off on these as in the above option. If guidance is eventually released that indicates owners are not eligible, then no action is needed. If guidance indicates that owners are eligible, then decide whether it is worth amending the income tax returns and ERC claims to get the additional funds.

This approach may make the most sense with only one 50%+ owner and many employees, as the cost to amend all returns and claims will probably not be worth the additional credit.

The goal with both approaches is to get PPP Forgiveness applications and tax returns filed as soon as possible, with the best balance between wage deductions and potential wage credits.

While I was tempted to pick one of these two approaches and inform all clients of our choice, I decided — especially with advice from an AICPA Town Hall — that this is a decision that each client needs to make for themselves. We’re happy to explain the potential costs and benefits of each approach and make a personal recommendation for each client’s individual situation, but the decision should be theirs. We recommend other CPA firms take a similar approach.


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2020 Employee Retention Credit FAQ

I recently received a few questions based on earlier blog posts, discussions with colleagues, and Slack conversations, and thought it might be helpful to readers to share them all here.

  1. Q: I attended the Compass seminar you recommended and it was super-helpful.  I noticed that she didn’t have anything on row 30 of her 941-X,  but on the other example we discussed, there were Line 30 entries on her 941-X that was generated by Gusto. Should I have something on line 30?

A: The Compass seminar presenter made a couple mistakes and they issued corrected pdfs afterwards – if you took the course, make sure you have the file called “Corrected_Forms_941-X_for_Case_Study.pdf” to refer to as you are preparing amended 941s to claim the Employee Retention Credit.

The first correction was that column 4 on the 941-X should be negative (even though that math makes no sense on the face of the form).

The other correction was that Lines 30 and 31 are blank in their original examples and should have totals on them. In the seminar, they had entered amounts on the Worksheet 1, Step 3, Line 3a (and 3b if there was health insurance), but then I think they just forgot to also enter them on the face of the form. (In the Worksheet it says these numbers come from Form 941, Lines 21 & 22 – and those correspond to Form 941-X, Lines 30 & 31.)

We built our own Excel version of Worksheet 1 to make all these calculations easier — not hard to do: just copy the last page of the IRS Form 941 instructions, paste into Excel, and set it up to do the simple math. We also made the following notes in Step 3:
a) For Step 3a, “This data will come from the ERC spreadsheet Total Wages row 20 (make sure to add Q1 + Q2 when preparing Q2). Enter on 941-X line 30.”
b) For Step 3b, “This data will come from the ERC spreadsheet Total Benefits row 21 (make sure to add Q1 + Q2 when preparing Q2). Enter on 941-X line 31.”.
c) For Step 3d, “Enter on 941-X line 27 *make sure amount in column 4 is a negative.”
d) For Step 3h, “Enter on 941-X line 18 *make sure amount in column 4 is a negative.”
e) For Step 3i, “Enter on 941-X line 26 *make sure amount in column 4 is a negative.”

  1. Q: Let’s say your PPP2 window is March 1 through August — it sounds like you’re not required to use wages from March 1-31 for your PPP2 forgiveness? You can take all of 1Q 2021 towards ERC and then use wages from April 1 and beyond for PPP2 forgiveness?

A: Yes, exactly – what we are doing in our firm is this: we calculate the minimum amount of wages + health insurance that are needed for PPP – and we use SUTA and retirement first, so that we use as few actual wage + health insurance dollars as possible (because ERC doesn’t use SUTA & retirement). That gives us a “target” that we use in our ERC calculations.

Then we assign wages + health insurance for the PPP period to each employee so as to maximize what’s left over for ERC. The difference has been really amazing, and worth the extra work.

So rather than picking wages to use for ERC based on which quarter they’re in to make it easier for filing, we’re picking them based on what maximizes the amount for ERC.

But the point is — that you can do it however you want, which was the second-to-last big piece of guidance I needed to make this system work to my clients’ advantage the most. (The other piece, whether 50%+ shareholder-EEs count for ERC, is something we’re still waiting on the IRS for. No one can believe they haven’t shared this yet.)

Follow-up question: Where did we land if we have to use every employee for the same duration for PPP forgiveness? So let’s say in the 24-week window you only need 13 weeks to get to forgiveness if you’re including everyone. Instead, could you use 3 employees for 24 weeks and then 2 employees for just 8 weeks (as an example off the top of my head). Or do you have to use all 5 employees for 13 weeks, or whatever it takes? Because in option 2, you’d have 3 extra weeks for the lower paid employees to use for ERC. If that makes sense what I’m asking.

A: There’s no requirement for PPP on a per-employee basis – it’s just a total dollar amount. Amazingly flexible. This analysis is accurate.

  1. Q: The Compass presenter mentioned something about the more than 50% shareholder and whether those wages count. I’ve got two clients who have employee shareholders, and I hadn’t really considered this yet. Do I count their wages?

A: We don’t know! We’re helping clients decide what to do on a case-by-case basis, using this approach (I wrote this up for RRF but it’s still valid for anyone who’s left):
Restaurant Revitalization Fund: Client Options for Tax & ERC Filings | The Dancing Accountant

Follow-up question: Regarding the Shareholder wages— Let me see if I understand it. I have a C-corp where one employee was the founder and basically has 90% of the stock. Is it a question as to whether he counts? And his wife works there as well. So it sounds like either way I cannot include her? Another employee has 10% of the stock. So he counts for sure, right?

A: The 10% employee counts for sure, and we don’t know about the 90% C-corp owner or the spouse that works there, which is why I’m making my clients choose Option 1 or 2 in the blog post I referenced. By coincidence, they reiterated in today’s AICPA Town Hall that we still don’t freaking know the answer here.

  1. Q: What date do I date the JE for “ERC Receivable”?  Is it the last date of the quarter for that 941X? (Rather than the date I send the amendment.)

A: Yes, because the IRS decided to be massive jerks and require this to be subtracted from deductible wages in the year of the payroll, rather than the year of the amendment, even for cash-basis tax filers.

Personal rant: after the past two tax seasons, have to admit that I hate Chuck Rettig with a passion.

  1. Q: So if I do form 941Xs, do I need to also send 7200s? Or is that an either/or situation? We definitely want refunds (not just applying refund towards future payments.)

A: No, the Form 7200 is only for advance payments — you would file it to get an advance payment of the refund before the end of the quarter in which you qualify. Once the quarter ends, you claim the credit on the Form 941, and reconcile the amount you’ve already applied to receive in advance. By all accounts I’ve heard, it’s not worth the trouble.

  1. Q: Finally–if I do the 941x’s myself, then do I need to notify that particular payroll company what I’ve done?

A: Not according to Gusto, because it only affects the cash paid, not the liabilities or reported amounts. It’s treated as an overpayment that will be refunded, so it doesn’t change things on their end — but I’m not sure about other payroll companies.


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Restaurant Revitalization Fund Opens Soon: April 2021

4/7/2021 UPDATE: I attended yesterday’s Independent Restaurant Coalition zoom call, and wrote up notes here. Please give it a read after you’ve taken a look at the blog post below, as it answers some FAQs.

4/1/2021 UPDATE: the SBA just announced that RRF applicants will not need a DUNS number or SAM account. This is a change from March, when it was expected that applications would require this process as they currently do under the Shuttered Venues Operators (SVO) grant program.  The shift by SBA recognized the significant demand for the program – up to hundreds of thousands of applicants are expected.

From the start of the Paycheck Protection Program (PPP), my small business clients — specifically the restaurants, bars, cafes and caterers — were confused and frustrated. We put so much time and effort into applying for PPP funds, working through the tortuous planning for spending in a way that would lead to 100% forgiveness, and had practically nothing left to show for it. Shuttered or take-out only, there was simply not enough revenue coming in to support the extremely high labor, inventory, and overhead costs typical of the industry. Had it not been for state and local grants, most of them would have had to close their doors permanently.

They weren’t alone — in fact, restaurant lobbyists have been working for many months on crafting financial relief legislation that suits the specific needs of the hospitality industry. And I’m amazed to say — they did a great job, and most of it made it into the final law. Unlike the constantly-changing mess that the PPP has been, this new program is thought-through, carefully-written, and has clearly learned from PPP’s mistakes. (It’s also taken the better part of a year to bring it into existence, so there are two sides to this coin, as is usually the case.) And it will be opening soon.

The Restaurant Revitalization Fund (RRF), as it is now known, was signed into law as part of the recent American Rescue Plan Act. Unlike the PPP, which was based on payroll costs, the RRF is structured to disburse tax-free federal grants in the amount of a restaurant’s “pandemic-related revenue loss“.

Grants are calculated by subtracting 2020 receipts from those of 2019. PPP funds received will offset (reduce) the grant amount, but those funds will not be considered part of gross receipts. The total grant amount for an eligible business and any affiliated businesses is capped at $10 million and is limited to $5 million per physical location of the business.

An example set of calculation scenarios from the National Restaurant Association:

In addition to basing the award amount on revenue loss rather than any other measure, other features of the RRF program that seem a better fit for restaurants are the flexibility on how the funds can be spent and over how long (Feb 15, 2020-Dec 31, 2021). Categories of eligible costs include:

  • payroll;
  • principal or interest on mortgage obligations;
  • rent;
  • utilities;
  • maintenance (including construction to accommodate outdoor seating);
  • supplies such as protective equipment and cleaning materials;
  • normal food and beverage inventory;
  • operational expenses;
  • and many other expenses that the SBA determines to be essential to maintaining operations.

Another area where there is a great deal of flexibility — eligible entities can be “a restaurant, food stand, food truck, food cart, caterer, saloon, inn, tavern, bar, lounge, brewpub, tasting room, taproom, licensed facility or premise of a beverage alcohol producer where the public may taste, sample, or purchase products, or other similar place of business in which the public or patrons assemble for the primary purpose of being served food or drink.”

There will be an initial 21-day period when the SBA will prioritize awarding grants for businesses owned by women, veterans, or socially and economically disadvantaged individuals.

To learn more, I strongly encourage you to read the Independent Restaurant Coalition’s FAQ, and attend one of their upcoming zoom “round table” webinars. The next ones will be held on Tuesday, April 6th at 12pm ET / 9am PT, and Wednesday, April 7th at 11am ET / 8am PT.

It’s looking like the program will be opening up in the next few weeks, and there are steps you can take now to prepare.

First and foremost: get educated:
– Register for one of the IRC zoom round-table webinars and review their other resources, including an excellent FAQ.
Watch the most recent National Restaurant Association (NRA) webinar (keeping in mind that the DUNS and SAM are no longer required) and visit RestaurantsAct.com/rrf for more resources, including a fact sheet.
– There are also many articles on the topic, including this extensive one from Forbes.

4/1/2021 UPDATE: In today’s AICPA Town Hall, they shared that the SBA has announced that RRF applicants should prepare with the following next steps —

The “checklist similar to SVOG” refers to another program, the Shuttered Venue Operators Grant — their checklist can be found on a download via the SBA website. We expect a similar one to be released specifically for RRF soon, but this is probably a good guideline.

I’m looking forward to seeing at least one Covid-19 financial relief program play out right and run smoothly — which I recognize may be too much to ask, but for the sake of all our beloved community watering holes, gathering spots, and the places that nourish our bodies and souls, I will keep my fingers crossed. They’ve been through so much already and I would love to see this program help them make it to the finish line.


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PPP2 Opens Today 1/11 – But Only To A Few: Be Patient.

January 11, 2021: The next round of the popular Paycheck Protection Program technically opens today — but only for a very small number of lenders, called Community Financial Institutions. According to CPA Practice Advisor, “To promote access to capital, initially only community financial institutions will be able to make First Draw PPP Loans on Monday, January 11, and Second Draw PPP Loans on Wednesday, January 13.  The PPP will open to all participating lenders shortly thereafter.”

In the finance industry, this is being referred to as the “Soft Launch” of the PPP. The reason for this tiered approach is that these institutions (CFIs), and the disadvantaged businesses they often represent — many of them from underserved communities — were mostly shut-out of the first round of PPP back in April. Brian Thompson published a great article in Forbes yesterday, explaining the details, that I encourage you to read. In short, the SBA is trying to equalize access to business ownership and support for black and brown communities. So if you’re not in one of these groups, today’s opening is not meant for you. Please be patient.

Although only this small group of lenders will be the included in the Soft Launch, unfortunately very few of them will be prepared to take full loan applications this week. These CFIs are generally only accepting applications from their existing customers, and do not have the processing capacity to receive an influx of applications, especially from those outside the communities they serve.

My recommendation is to continue with the strategy that you have already devised — whether that’s working with your existing banking relationship, or with your CPA to apply through a lending portal (I am using the CPA Business Funding Portal, a joint program between the AICPA and biz2credit — more here — you can also use the platform for free to help prepare applications to be sent to clients’ existing lenders).

See my recent blog posts for more information about the details of this round of the Paycheck Protection Program, or how to determine whether or not you qualify.


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Paycheck Protection Program Loans: What We Know So Far

IMPORTANT: This blog post is now out-of-date due to new guidance released on April 6th — see new post here.

The new CARES Act has introduced the “Paycheck Protection Program” (PPP) — $350 billion in loans to be administered by the SBA. The loans may be used to cover a borrower’s payroll and payroll taxes, mortgage interest, rent and utilities for eight weeks from the date of the loan.

But this is the key: if an eligible borrower uses the loan for qualifying expenses “while maintaining its workforce”… the loan may be forgiven. This makes the PPP way more valuable than most other federal, state and city aid (with the exception of flat-out grants, and possibly some credits).

The loans aren’t available yet — hopefully we’ll begin seeing these within the next two weeks. This legislation is hot off the press, and lenders do not yet have guidelines or checklists in place to know how to process applicants. I know this sounds awful to ask of you at a time like this, but: please be patient. Use the time to get your books and documentation in order, select and reach out to your favorite lender, and get everything ready to apply the moment they open the gates.

Qualification and Terms

To qualify for the loan program, a borrower:
(1) must have been in operation on February 15, 2020;
(2) have no more than 500 employees; and,
(3) must certify that the uncertainty of current economic conditions makes necessary the loan request to support its ongoing operations.

  • The amount of a loan cannot exceed 250% of the borrower’s average total monthly “payroll costs” during the one-year period leading up to loan origination. “Payroll costs” include salaries, wages, commissions, tips, paid time off, health insurance, retirement benefits, and state and local taxes not to exceed $100,000 per employee.
  • Loans are subject to a maximum of $10 million.
  • Amounts not forgiven (explained below) will have a maximum maturity date of 10 years from the date the borrower applied for loan forgiveness.
  • Interest on the loans shall not exceed 4% until June 30, 2020, but may be subject to change afterwards. All loan payments (principal, interest and fees) are deferred for at least six months, and up to one year.
  • Loans are “non-recourse” (which means company owners are not responsible for payments if the company defaults), except to the extent the loan proceeds are used for a purpose other than borrower’s payroll, mortgage interest, rent and/or utilities expenses.
  • Borrowers/owners will not need to provide any collateral or personal guarantee during the “covered period” (February 15-June 30, 2020). (It’s unclear whether lenders will require collateral and/or a personal guarantee to spring into effect upon the loan continuing to remain outstanding — or not completely forgiven — after June 30, 2020.)

Loan Forgiveness

The total of all payroll costs, mortgage interest payments, rent and utility payments incurred and made by a small business PPP borrower during the eight weeks following the loan — capped at the total loan principal amount — is potentially eligible for forgiveness. Unlike other forms of forgiveness of indebtedness, the amount of forgiveness received by a borrower will not be taxed as income. So this is kind of a big deal.

However, the maximum forgiveness amount will be reduced if the company reduces its number of Full-Time Equivalent Employees (FTEs) and/or reduces wage or salary compensation in excess of 25%. The reduction of forgiveness is reduced in proportion to the decrease in the number of FTEs during the eight-week period following the loan origination date, and the borrower’s monthly average FTEs from either (1) February 15, 2019 – June 30, 2019 or (2) January 1, 2020 – February 15, 2020.

In addition, the maximum forgiveness amount will be reduced dollar-for-dollar for any wage or salary reduction of an employee (who is paid less than $100,000 year) in excess of 25% (measured against the wage and salary for that employee during the most recent full quarter prior to the loan origination date).

If the small business previously reduced its workforce or the salary/wages it pays its employees, they can still qualify for loan forgiveness if FTEs are re-hired and/or wages are restored by June 30, 2020.

After an application is submitted for loan forgiveness, the lender will have 60 days to make a determination as to whether the loan will be forgiven. Lenders will then work with the SBA to be reimbursed for the forgiven amount; this won’t be something the small business owner has to do.

Information on Lenders

The Paycheck Protection Program will be administered by the existing network of approved SBA lenders, but the SBA and Treasury Department have said they are adding qualified lenders to disburse and service loans made with the guarantee of the SBA. Supposedly it’s not that hard to qualify as a lender, so if you have a good business relationship with a bank or other lending organization, encourage them to apply to become a qualified lender ASAP.

Lenders can make borrower eligibility determinations without SBA approval, using only the program eligibility rules. A borrower does not need to show it is unable to obtain credit elsewhere (a customary SBA loan requirement). This is also kind of a big deal.

Loans under the program are fully guaranteed by the federal government, which is an increase to the existing guarantee percentages under the current SBA loan program. (Ditto on the big deal.)

The SBA and the Department of Treasury are in the process of developing the guidelines lenders will use to administer the Payroll Protection Program loans. They must issue regulations within 15 days of enactment of the CARES Act, which means it’s possible that lenders could begin taking loan applications in two weeks. Just to be clear here: this is light-speed for a newly-enacted government program.

Recommendations for Potential Borrowers

I’m hearing from clients and colleagues that none of the lenders have received guidance yet for these PPP loans. However, if you have your books in order and gather all the appropriate documentation that you expect they’ll ask for, then you’ll be ready when the time comes.

In addition to getting the books in order for 2018, 2019 and up-to-date through 3/31/20 (if they’re not already), I’m recommending to clients who may be interested in the program, as potential borrowers, start working on documentation to verify the following:
1) the number of full-time equivalent employees on payroll and pay rates for the applicable periods: including payroll tax filings, state income, payroll, and unemployment insurance filings (basically, payroll from a comparable period one year ago); and,
2) payments on mortgage obligations, lease obligations and utilities: including payment receipts, transcripts of accounts, or other documents (to prove you had a lease or mortgage and utilities in service before February 15th of this year).
3) You’ll need some type of certification by an “authorized individual” (presumably an owner, partner or officer) as to the business having been negatively impacted by COVID-19;
4) And of course you’ll need some relationship with an SBA-approved Sec 7a lender, which means start calling around now.


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